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re: Is it possible that OU and Missouri leave the conference?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:32 am to BuzzdLightBeer
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:32 am to BuzzdLightBeer
Crack another beer or two! Maybe the “Buffalo Theory” will work on you.
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:14 am to Boomer65
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According to ChatGPT, Mizzou would be a better fit in B1G. Why Missouri Fits Better in the Big Ten: 1. Geographic Fit • Missouri is a Midwestern state, and its flagship university (Mizzou, in Columbia) is squarely located in a Big Ten-style geographic zone. • It borders Iowa, Nebraska, and Illinois — all current Big Ten states. • The cultural and regional footprint of Missouri aligns more with states in the Big Ten than the Deep South.
Looks like you left something out in your AI analysis....
According to Chatgpt....
2. Academic Fit
Big Ten: Stronger academic conference overall, particularly because of the Big Ten Academic Alliance. Most Big Ten schools are flagship public universities with a major research emphasis — similar to Mizzou.
SEC: Generally more focused on athletics than research, though there are still strong schools like Florida and Vanderbilt.
? Edge: Big Ten
In other words... we are smarter than the rest of you LSU inbreds...
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:23 am to Dirty 6th
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Texas to the Big XII: “Hey, let’s start a conference TV network.”
Big XII: “F off”
Texas to A&M: “Hey, let’s start a joint TV network. We’ll call it the Lonestar Network or some ish.”
A&M: “F off”
ESPN to Texas: “Here’s $15MM per year for your own network so that you’ll stay put in the Big XII.”
How about this one:
Pac12: "Come on in, Texas. And bring Aggie, Okie, and Okie Lite."
Other Big 12 schools: "WTF?"
Texas: "Great, we're all coming. Just gotta grab our Longhorn Network."
Pac12: "That's a deal breaker. Forget it."
Aggie, Okie, Okie Lite: "WTF?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:36 am to TN Tygah
I wish there would be a revival of a combined Big 8 and SWC. Would get rid of all the undesirables - Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M all in one fell swoop.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:41 am to Mosnowman
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Looks like you left something out in your AI analysis.... According to Chatgpt.... 2. Academic Fit Big Ten: Stronger academic conference overall, particularly because of the Big Ten Academic Alliance. Most Big Ten schools are flagship public universities with a major research emphasis — similar to Mizzou. SEC: Generally more focused on athletics than research, though there are still strong schools like Florida and Vanderbilt. ? Edge: Big Ten In other words... we are smarter than the rest of you LSU inbreds...
According to ChatGPT:
Great — let’s break down the rest of the SEC schools and assess how they might fit into the Big Ten (B1G) based on:
• AAU membership
• Academic and research profile
• Athletic brand strength
• TV/media market
• Cultural compatibility with the B1G
We’ll go school-by-school:
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?? Alabama
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Decent, not elite
• Athletics: Football blue blood
• TV Market: Birmingham (medium-sized)
• Cultural Fit: Deep South, not Midwestern/Northern
?? Conclusion: Huge football brand, but academically and culturally not a B1G match.
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?? Auburn
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Lower-tier flagship
• Athletics: Strong football tradition
• TV Market: Small (Auburn/Opelika)
• Cultural Fit: Very Southern
?? Conclusion: Weak academic fit; would not align with B1G values.
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?? Arkansas
• AAU: ? (formerly, left in 1949)
• Academics: Decent, not elite
• Athletics: Solid in several sports
• TV Market: Small (Little Rock)
• Cultural Fit: Mid-South, not Midwest/Northeast
?? Conclusion: Unlikely B1G candidate.
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?? Kentucky
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Mid-tier
• Athletics: Elite basketball, improving football
• TV Market: Lexington, small but passionate
• Cultural Fit: Border state, could maybe align
?? Conclusion: Possible fringe fit due to location and basketball brand, but academics are a stretch.
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?? LSU
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Moderate; flagship
• Athletics: Elite football and baseball
• TV Market: New Orleans + Baton Rouge
• Cultural Fit: Southern/SEC culture, but strong identity
?? Conclusion: Great athletics, weak academic fit for B1G.
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?? Mississippi State
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Weak
• Athletics: Baseball success, mid-tier football
• TV Market: Very small
• Cultural Fit: Deep South
?? Conclusion: No B1G fit academically or culturally.
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?? Ole Miss
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Low research output
• Athletics: Strong tradition, but not elite
• TV Market: Very small
• Cultural Fit: Deep South
?? Conclusion: No alignment with B1G priorities.
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?? Missouri
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Solid; decent research school
• Athletics: Mid-tier across the board
• TV Market: St. Louis, Kansas City — decent
• Cultural Fit: Midwest/South hybrid
? Conclusion: Already in the SEC, but actually fits better in the B1G. Was considered for B1G in 2010s.
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?? South Carolina
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Lower-tier flagship
• Athletics: Passionate fanbase, mid-tier success
• TV Market: Columbia, SC (small-medium)
• Cultural Fit: Southern through and through
?? Conclusion: Low academic fit, marginal athletic appeal outside region.
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?? Tennessee
• AAU: ?
• Academics: Mid-level
• Athletics: Huge football brand, strong fanbase
• TV Market: Knoxville (moderate)
• Cultural Fit: Borderline Southern/Mid-South
?? Conclusion: Possible outside candidate; solid football and geography, but not academic fit.
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?? Oklahoma
• AAU: ? (Regained in 2024)
• Academics: Decent flagship
• Athletics: Elite football, strong all-around
• TV Market: OKC, Tulsa — small-medium but passionate
• Cultural Fit: More aligned with Texas than SEC culturally
? Conclusion: Would fit well in B1G academically, culturally, and athletically — second-best fit from SEC after Texas.
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?? Mississippi Schools Combined (Ole Miss + Miss. State)
• Small markets, weak academics, culturally Deep South
• Not B1G compatible under any known metric
?? Zero B1G fit.
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?? Final Summary Table
School AAU Academics Athletics TV Market B1G Fit Score
Texas ? Elite Elite Huge (TX) A+
Oklahoma ? Strong Elite OK A
Florida ? Elite Elite Huge (FL) A
Texas A&M ? Strong Strong Huge (TX) A
Georgia ? Strong Elite Atlanta B+
Missouri ? Solid Mid-tier STL + KC B+
Vanderbilt ? Elite Weak Nashville B
Tennessee ? Mid Strong Knoxville B-
Kentucky ? Mid Strong BB Lexington B-
LSU ? Mid Elite NOLA C+
Alabama ? Mid Elite Birmingham C
Auburn ? Mid Strong Small C
South Carolina ? Mid Mid Small C
Arkansas ? Mid Mid Small C
Ole Miss ? Weak Mid Tiny D
Miss. State ? Weak Mid Tiny D
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?? TL;DR
? Best B1G fits from SEC:
• Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Texas A&M, Missouri
?? Non-fits:
• Most Deep South schools (Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, etc.) due to academic + cultural misalignment
Let me know if you want to build hypothetical divisions or explore what a “B1G + SEC merger” might look like.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 8:42 am
Posted on 7/1/25 at 9:09 am to Boomer65
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According to ChatGPT, Mizzou would be a better fit in B1G.
Why Missouri Fits Better in the Big Ten:
1. Geographic Fit
• Missouri is a Midwestern state, and its flagship university (Mizzou, in Columbia) is squarely located in a Big Ten-style geographic zone.
• It borders Iowa, Nebraska, and Illinois — all current Big Ten states.
• The cultural and regional footprint of Missouri aligns more with states in the Big Ten than the Deep South.
Now ask it why it is a better fit in the SEC:
1. Geographic Fit
• Missouri is a Southern state, and its flagship university (Mizzou, in Columbia) is located in the northern edge of the Ozark region.
• It borders Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Oklahoma — all current SEC states.
• The cultural and regional footprint of Missouri aligns more with states in the Deep South than the Big Ten[/quote]
Look, I'm not one of those people who is going to try to convince how southern Missouri is, but it's also not Canada. It's stuck in the middle and has influences from several U.S. regions. We've done this a million times, but southeastern Missouri feels like the Deep South, western Missouri feels like the West (especially KC area), northern Missouri is firmly midwestern, and eastern Missouri/St. Louis feels like the result of Chicago and New Orleans having a red-headed step-child.
Silly to call it northern, southern, or something else when truthfully Missouri is a little bit of all - and it largely depends on which part of the state you are discussing. Columbia, being smack in the middle, has both southern and midwestern influence. But I would argue that it feels like most of the SEC college towns that are similar in size, and the differences are fairly minor.
Back in the Big Eight/Big 12 days, Missouri was ridiculed for being "too Southern" and a was labeled a misfit, especially amongst Big 12 North schools. So it's funny to some of us older fans now watching SEC fans moan for over a decade on message boards about Missouri being "too northern".
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:07 am to MIZ83
Texas stayed. Y’all were the ones that left.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:13 am to Dirty 6th
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Texas stayed. Y’all were the ones that left.
Yup, we left because texas, a&m, ou, kansas, nebraska, colorado all voted to destroy the conference. It would have been stupid to stay when all you guys voted to kill it.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:17 am to notsince98
Destroy the conference?
The BIG XII still exists, and boasts more members than it has ever had in its history.
The BIG XII still exists, and boasts more members than it has ever had in its history.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:19 am to CharlotteSooner
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Destroy the conference?
The BIG XII still exists, and boasts more members than it has ever had in its history.
Yeah, it is doing so great that nobody wants to leave it.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:27 am to notsince98
Like I said, it has more members currently than it ever has, and sent one of it's teams to the playoffs in spite of losing OU and TX, and that team represented well.
It's humorous to me that the teams that left the BIG XII think the conference was destroyed without their mediocrity present. That was never the case.
It's humorous to me that the teams that left the BIG XII think the conference was destroyed without their mediocrity present. That was never the case.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 10:28 am
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:31 am to Dirty 6th
Actually...you followed us. You're welcome
Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:11 am to Lynxrufus2012
quote:No one in those markets watches them, though.
Mizzou wanted to join us. They have big TV markets and contribute financially.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:12 am to Mosnowman
Missou was rejected by the BIG 10. Missou begged to get into the Big 10 even the Missou governor begged the Big 10 for admittance but Missou was rejected….. then they ended up in the SEC….
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:21 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Like I said, it has more members currently than it ever has, and sent one of it's teams to the playoffs in spite of losing OU and TX, and that team represented well.
It's humorous to me that the teams that left the BIG XII think the conference was destroyed without their mediocrity present. That was never the case.
The conference was destroyed by the voting, not by Missouri leaving. Not sure why reading is so hard for you. If the big12 was so great, ou and texas would still be there.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:22 pm to Zgeo
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Missou was rejected by the BIG 10.
Wrong again. Missouri told B1G they'd listen. B1G asked if junior membership was a non-starter. Missouri said it was indeed a non-starter and went along on their merry way searching for something more stable than the big12. Missouri was leaving because they wanted a conference TV network and equal revenue sharing. B1G refused to offer that. Missouri wasn't leaving the big12 to go to the same situation.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:03 pm to notsince98
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The conference was destroyed by the voting
The conference isn't destroyed in any capacity. It's still there. Who has the reading problem here?
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:08 pm to CharlotteSooner
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The conference isn't destroyed in any capacity. It's still there. Who has the reading problem here?
Ah so you are one of those that claims the PAC is doing better than ever, too. Right?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:15 pm to notsince98
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Ah so you are one of those that claims the PAC is doing better than ever, too. Right?
LOL
It's not even close between the two conferences. What kinda retarded reply is that?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 3:22 pm to notsince98
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Yup, we left because texas, a&m, ou, kansas, nebraska, colorado all voted to destroy the conference. It would have been stupid to stay when all you guys voted to kill it.
My point being that there was a lot of noise about programs looking to bolt. Texas was looking for a safe landing spot in what appeared to be chaos just like the others. Realignment was always coming.
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