Started By
Message
re: If you can't win your division or conference, you can't be "National" Champion
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:59 am to AlaTiger
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:59 am to AlaTiger
Bama fans use the “best loss” argument when it is to their benefit.
The object is to WIN games against top opponents. Bama has not done that this year compared to others in the top rankings.
The Badgers winning on Saturday will make everything moot.
The object is to WIN games against top opponents. Bama has not done that this year compared to others in the top rankings.
The Badgers winning on Saturday will make everything moot.
0
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:00 am to TruBlu4AU
quote:
AND, their loss was better
Now you're just making crap up.
They lost to an unranked team that was around a 30 point underdog.
The benefit was that they lost to a BAD team, and therefor that team was never a threat to take the conference title. Alabama lost to a GOOD team, that could win the conference title.
What you're really saying is that it is okay to lose to crappy teams.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:01 am to AlaTiger
quote:
How can a team that finishes second or third in their conference, meaning they aren't the best team in their conference, be considered the best team in America?
Because they are. It's that simple. See below.
quote:
Alabama fans love a lot of things that aren't true.
Again, see above. It seems like you are the only person struggling with reality here. Multiple fans supporting multiple schools have pointed out the errors of your ways. I'll be praying for you, I know life is tough.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:02 am to pellietigersaint
The goal of the BCS was never to pit the two best teams vs one another, but the two most deserving teams - there is a huge distinction and that differnece is what has made CFB what it is. The talking heads, etc, couldn't wrap their head around that, which is why they eventually changed the BCS into basically the human polls and then inflicted the CFP with the idea of 'best' teams. It needs to go back to the idea of most deserving and as such, if you can't win your conference, you don't deserve shite.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:04 am to RoaringTiger33
Ok how does an Oklahoma State team that blew a 17 point lead to a 5-6 team more deserving than Alabama? Please note that OKSU did not play an extra game because they had no conference championship. You are essentially an independent if you are a conference champ playing only 12 games
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:05 am to RoaringTiger33
Wrong
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:05 am to AlaTiger
Dilly dilly
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:08 am to AlaTiger
You gotta have that possibility, or you don't have a feasible National Champion.
There has to be a way for (at least) a one-loss team to make the playoff, and if that happens then you open the way for a team who hasn't won their conference to be let in to the CFP.
If anything destroys the idea that the regular season is being de-emphasized it's the idea that a undefeated team isn't worthy of a CFP bid, especially if they happen to come from a P5 conference. There was talk of possibly Wisconsin being left out of the CFP even if they won the B10 with an undefeated record, and while I'm no B10 apologist, that shouldn't happen. A P5 team that wins every game along with their conference should, on principle, be in the playoffs.
There has to be a way for (at least) a one-loss team to make the playoff, and if that happens then you open the way for a team who hasn't won their conference to be let in to the CFP.
If anything destroys the idea that the regular season is being de-emphasized it's the idea that a undefeated team isn't worthy of a CFP bid, especially if they happen to come from a P5 conference. There was talk of possibly Wisconsin being left out of the CFP even if they won the B10 with an undefeated record, and while I'm no B10 apologist, that shouldn't happen. A P5 team that wins every game along with their conference should, on principle, be in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:08 am to Teague
quote:
The best teams should play for a NC. Just because one team happened to lose one game to someone in conference doesn't mean they're not better than a team that lost two or three games, but won their conference.
And, I'm not saying that in a bid to get Bama in. I don't know that we are one of the four best teams this year. I just mean in general. Conference champions aren't always better than other teams out there.
Totally agree. I also do not think that Bama is a top four team this year (I would still like the to somehow get in the playoff as a Bama fan, if we don't oh well...I will bitch if OSU gets in, lol).
If 2011 LSU lost to Bama, LSU would sing a different tune. They were one of the best team(s) that season. It was Bama/LSU and everyone else. Yes, I would also be singing a different tune as well because I would not want to play that team again after beating them. Again, LSU and Bama were the clear cut best teams THAT year.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:10 am to AlaTiger
Yes i agree,
Let's start this next year
Let's start this next year
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:11 am to Glorious
Easy.
Much better resume.
The networks were interested in two things in 2011:
- TV ratings
- setting the stage to force a four team playoff.
The 2011 Title game was over when it was scheduled. When two even teams play twice in one year, they usually split. Bama had all the motivation / revenge for that game and that is a strong force for 19-22 yr olds.
Much better resume.
The networks were interested in two things in 2011:
- TV ratings
- setting the stage to force a four team playoff.
The 2011 Title game was over when it was scheduled. When two even teams play twice in one year, they usually split. Bama had all the motivation / revenge for that game and that is a strong force for 19-22 yr olds.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:12 am to BuyloSellhi
That game had one of the worst BCSNCG ratings
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:12 am to AlaTiger
2011
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:13 am to Glorious
All the people arguing Bama should be allowed in, also logically have to argue that we should just eliminate all conference championship games.
You can’t have it both ways. Either conf champion means something, or it doesn’t.
You can’t have it both ways. Either conf champion means something, or it doesn’t.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:14 am to Glorious
“That game had one of the worst BCSNCG ratings“
This.
This.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:15 am to AlaTiger
"Allowing this makes the regular season and conferences meaningless."
You could also argue that letting a 2 loss Big 10 champ Ohio State into the playoffs makes the regular season meaningless as they got blown out by 31 against an unranked team.
But someone has to make it and either way, it's going to be someone who doesn't "deserve it" (as Bama doesn't deserve that spot either).
You could also argue that letting a 2 loss Big 10 champ Ohio State into the playoffs makes the regular season meaningless as they got blown out by 31 against an unranked team.
But someone has to make it and either way, it's going to be someone who doesn't "deserve it" (as Bama doesn't deserve that spot either).
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:15 am to JCinBAMA
quote:
2011
If Auburn has to play Alabama again, it’ll be a farce just like 2011. It’s nearly impossible to beat an elite team twice in a season. The advantage ALWAYS goes to the team that loses the first time.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:16 am to 00 Tech Grad
quote:
All the people arguing Bama should be allowed in, also logically have to argue that we should just eliminate all conference championship games.
No. You'd have a point if the argument was that Bama should get in at the expense of the SEC Champ. No one is making that argument.
quote:
Either conf champion means something, or it doesn’t.
Conference titles mean something. They don't mean everything.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:17 am to 00 Tech Grad
quote:
All the people arguing Bama should be allowed in, also logically have to argue that we should just eliminate all conference championship games.
You can’t have it both ways. Either conf champion means something, or it doesn’t.
You're saying that winning the SEC championship in basketball and baseball have no meaning? Did anyone tell the players on those teams that didn't win squat?
I'm sure they'll take that notion kindly.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:17 am to 00 Tech Grad
quote:
All the people arguing Bama should be allowed in, also logically have to argue that we should just eliminate all conference championship games. You can’t have it both ways. Either conf champion means something, or it doesn’t.
Not true. If Penn State last year and Ohio State this year didn’t get to play in a conference championship, then they wouldn’t even have an argument of getting in. In allowing a conference championship game you run the risk of one of your teams losing a shot at a nattie (Tennessee when LSU knocked them out) and you get the potential reward of a championship game bolstering your teams resume (2014 Ohio State)
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 11:20 am
Page 5 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News