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If targeting is about player safety...

Posted on 10/8/23 at 2:50 pm
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
18755 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 2:50 pm
and the refs, plus officials in the booth, appear to look for it at every hit, why has coll football gone soft on other player safety items?

You players wearing shorts, and mouthpieces hanging from face masks like an air freshener from a review mirror. What will need to happen before they start enforcing players to put in their mouthpiece and players have to wear pants with leg and knee pads? Maybe some teeth knocked out or a banged up knee?
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3090 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 2:58 pm to
I wish I had a hundred up votes to give. Looking like softball uniforms out there.

Telling ya, it’s headed toward flag football in a decade.

Those 7-on-7 summer leagues are the new model. Linemen better get their money while they can.
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
18755 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:01 pm to
Some are pretty noticeable and others are blatantly obvious... like Bowers wearing the coach looking Bike shorts from the late 80's.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30450 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:02 pm to
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You players wearing shorts, and mouthpieces hanging from face masks like an air freshener from a review mirror. What will need to happen before they start enforcing players to put in their mouthpiece and players have to wear pants with leg and knee pads? Maybe some teeth knocked out or a banged up knee?


^^Because these are all self-imposed injures. If a guy get his teeth knocked right out, it’s kinda on him for hanging his MP on his face mask.

Targeting (while confusing as hell), is imposed by another player.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Sid E Walker
InsecureU ©
Member since Nov 2013
23887 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:08 pm to
Watching the Jags-Bills this morning, a Jags LB sacked QB Allen late in the game in what was not a dirty hit at all. Not even a hard hit on Allen. But, a 15 yd PF was called on the Jags because their facemasks touched.

Ridiculous.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
5185 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:09 pm to
There are way more knee injuries than brain injuries too
Posted by p226
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
889 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:16 pm to
Because targeting rule is an attempt to limit concussions. That matters because concussions are being studied, legislated, and lawyers are/have been trying to win big judgements in civil trials — MONEY!

Politics, lawyers, media “narrative” = change in the game.

Posted by p226
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
889 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:20 pm to
If lawyers start to win lawsuits against sports leagues for not enforcing mouthpiece safety, and mass media scares mom’s about it, then you’ll start seeing mouthpieces worn correctly on TV.
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
Member since Jun 2004
3200 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:33 pm to
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targeting is about player safety.


Football is a brutal sport. Those who choose to participate in it assume the risks associated with it.

The targeting rule is installed for one, and only one reason: Perceived Safety.

There are still as many, or more injuries than ever before and numerous players suffer a concussion every single week.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30225 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:47 pm to
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Targeting (while confusing as hell), is imposed by another player.


Then why do I constantly hear announcers overselling the "targeting is as much to protect the tackler as the ballcarrier" point?
Posted by tideohio
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2015
179 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 4:03 pm to
What about the helmets popping off at any given moment. Back in the day I almost had to rip my ears off to get my hat off. It's absolutely ridiculous. Make them sit out the whole series instead of a play.
Posted by RockyRococco
Jacksonville FL
Member since Aug 2021
1256 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:50 pm to
because getting your teeth knocked out doesnt cause you to have crippling memory problems and blow your brains out at 40
Posted by yakster
Member since Mar 2021
1430 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:19 pm to
Why can a defensive player get penalized for grabbing a face mask, but a running back can grab a defensive players (aka stiff arming) and it’s not a penalty? Why can an offensive player lead with his helmet when trucking a defensive player? Safety first right?!
Posted by theRealJesseD
Member since Nov 2021
2910 posts
Posted on 10/9/23 at 6:17 am to
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There are way more knee injuries than brain injuries too


1/4” foam knee pads and longer fabric don’t do much to prevent those kind of knee injuries
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33045 posts
Posted on 10/9/23 at 7:23 am to
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Then why do I constantly hear announcers overselling the "targeting is as much to protect the tackler as the ballcarrier" point?


The first targeting rule is to protect the neck of the defender.
Posted by OSTiger10
Fountainbleau, MS
Member since Nov 2012
150 posts
Posted on 10/9/23 at 8:12 am to
Knee pads provide zero protection from knee injuries.....
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57429 posts
Posted on 10/9/23 at 8:15 am to
quote:

Because these are all self-imposed injures. If a guy get his teeth knocked right out, it’s kinda on him for hanging his MP on his face mask.


A QB dropping his helmet into an incoming diving linebacker is also self-imposed.
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
9703 posts
Posted on 10/9/23 at 8:18 am to
We were just talking about this this morning. I'm not even sure what you can and can't do anymore.

The pants thing is obvious and jerseys to a certain extent, where the rule still says the jersey must meet the top of the pants. I see guys every week with basically midriff jerseys. I dont even think its required now to have hip pads. I look for players to honestly wear legitimate shorts before long.
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
18755 posts
Posted on 10/9/23 at 8:18 am to
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1/4” foam knee pads and longer fabric don’t do much to prevent those kind of knee injuries


So rugby unis for everyone.
Posted by BhamTigah
Lurker since Jan 2003
Member since Jan 2007
14154 posts
Posted on 10/9/23 at 8:27 am to
Knee pads prevent stinger type injuries, not major twisting injuries.

Mouthpieces protect teeth. Would suck to lose them, but a little cosmetic dentistry and you’re good.

That said, the rule book says pants should be below the knees and mouth guards must be worn.

I know the SEC called penalties for these in the 90s and early 00s with Bobby Gaston as director of officiating.
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