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re: If Christian McCaffrey doesn't win the Heisman, then we need to..

Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
Member since Oct 2009
3907 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:57 pm to
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If Christian McCaffrey doesn't win the Heisman, then we need to.. I'm a McCaffrey band wagoner because I pointed out incorrect stats? I couldn't care less who wins the award-


Mccaffrey is as deserving as Watson.
Hard to argue if any of the three or even Mayfield won it.

Difference is Henry played against 3 Top 10 defenses, while Mccaffrey played against 3 Top 60 defenses.

Perhaps Saban should have left Henry out on the field against Charleston more so he would 3000 yards.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:10 pm to
He should just win it for being a white RB.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
54829 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:24 pm to
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You shouldn't project.



Take your own advice, Rodge.
Posted by UBamaJelly
Member since Jan 2013
125 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 6:33 pm to
Throw in touchdowns.

I'm not saying McCaffrey didn't put up good numbers (mainly yards). But, the original post seems to imply that McCaffrey is clearly the better player. And, that is not the case. Both broke records. Both had great numbers.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
139098 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 9:33 pm to
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He is a better running back, a better overall football player, has more yards, is far more valuable TO HIS TEAM, has surpassed Barry Sanders' record this season, and he's exciting to watch. 

Heisman says otherwise.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 9:47 pm to
Stats in a vacuum are meaningless.

The opposition you play matters.

Most Heisman voters recognize that.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
40071 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 9:49 pm to
Wasn't even close

Posted by jatebe
Queen of Links
Member since Oct 2008
18451 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:02 pm to
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Wasn't even close


quote:

1. Derrick Henry: 1,832

2. Christian McCaffrey: 1,539

3. Deshaun Watson: 1,165

4. Baker Mayfield 334

5. Keenan Reynolds 180

6. Leonard Fournette 110

7. Dalvin Cook 79

8. Ezekiel Elliott 57

9. Connor Cook 13

9. Trevone Boykin 13

Henry won five of the six regions and was second to McCaffrey in the Far West. Henry also received 378 of the first-place votes to McCaffrey's 290.
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:06 pm to
Someone needs to console Christian's mother. Don't worry guys, I got this
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:07 pm to
They're not going to rename it.
Posted by TangipahoaTiger
Member since Nov 2013
1256 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 8:09 am to
Op.... op ? You okay ?
Posted by Bama54
Neverland
Member since Nov 2011
5077 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 8:19 am to
[quote
I still have no idea how Henry is even qualified to play collegiate athletics.

[/quote]

Not only did he qualify, he entered early
Posted by Rocco Lampone
Raleigh, NC
Member since Nov 2010
3071 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 8:25 am to
I think in most years, McCaffrey would win. Unfortunately, this year he was up against the new standard for an SEC running back.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30813 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 8:48 am to
Next year's Heisman will be interesting with LF thrown into the mix.
Posted by jafo
Northwest Missouri State Bearcats
Member since Jan 2012
2954 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 9:01 am to
Henry not my pick, but congrats to him, he's still a damn good RB.
Posted by bama1959
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2008
4979 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 9:33 am to
How many yards do you think that skinny white kid would have gotten in the SEC?
Posted by Number1Gump
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
1371 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 9:33 am to
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And the defenses he's played against are considerably better than the creampuffs Henry has gashed open.



I don't know if this is delusion or denial???
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
79347 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 9:42 am to
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Derek Henry is the 3rd best running back in the SEC. Christian McCaffrey is far and away the best Football player in the country.
I'll give you Buga. . .who else?
Posted by jrtplaya21
Member since Jan 2013
3243 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:16 am to
I'd assume a healthy Chubb?
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29285 posts
Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:22 am to
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I'm not saying McCaffrey didn't put up good numbers (mainly yards). But, the original post seems to imply that McCaffrey is clearly the better player. And, that is not the case. Both broke records. Both had great numbers.


Henry might be better than McCaffrey, and from a national perspective, I don't really have an issue with voters choosing Henry over McCaffrey. I think McCaffrey was more exciting to watch, but in Bama's system, it's hard not to say that Henry wasn't absolutely terrific. That being said, as someone who follows the SEC West very closely, it's kind of weird to see a guy win a Heisman when he wasn't even the best RB in his division. Fournette was simply better. And I don't really have any favoritism like all the swamp kittens do. I dislike LSU and Alabama's winning games pretty evenly. Fournette was on a waaaay worse team, but he would have killed it if he was in Lane Kiffin's offense running behind that line untouched like Henry was able to all year.

It feels like a mix between the Mark Ingram, Troy Smith and Jason White Heisman's.

On one hand, I absolutely believe that Henry doesn't win the Heisman if he plays for any team but Alabama(or a different blue blood). It's the validation that a lot of the old guard media(that has no business voting) has towards the way they think college football should work. And don't discount the concept that media doesn't love their narratives. In the sense of "media getting the narrative they want", the worst example is Mark Ingram. The media hype behind Alabama is real, and a lot of media wanted Alabama to win it's first Heisman Ingram's year. They wanted Bama to be back, and a Heisman Trophy would be validation of that narrative. The fact that Alabama had never won a Heisman should NEVER have mattered but it was the main narrative that carried him to the win.

In Henry's case it wasn't that near bad, the narrative is more the typical, "best player on the best team" thing. In that sense it sort of feels like the Troy Smith one, but Smith's numbers were just bland, at least Henry was a workhorse... Which is why it is probably closest to the Jason White Heisman. White had really great numbers, but he wasn't the best QB in the country. It was in the midst of the early 2000s Oklahoma dominance, and he was the focal point of that offense. At the same time, Eli was clearly a better QB that year, and Larry Fitzgerald was only a sophomore and he was at a program that wasn't revered like Oklahoma was. Wide receiver at Pitt is sort of like white running back at Stanford. They aren't viewed the same as, "Oklahoma QB" or "Alabama RB".

I think the Heisman Trophy does a good job sometimes. Manziel, RG3, and Tebow are examples of losses not holding the media back from naming the right winner. And those are the kind of guys I want winning Heisman's. The guys with the, "it factor". The guy on the field you can't keep your eyes off of. The one that makes a play that makes you think, "damn that was outstanding ". Unfortunately, players get punished even if they are outstanding and the media gravites toward the "safe" concept. To me, Henry was the "safe" concept after the LSU game. Fournette was unfairly punished for LSU's offensive incompetence. McCaffrey was punished for being at Stanford. If he broke Sanders all purpose yardage record at an Ohio State or USC, I don't think the media thinks twice about it. Him and Fournette were the two guys this year that were the most, "outstanding" to me, but McCaffrey had a few bigger moments and didn't have the disappointing moments like Fournette against Bama/Arky/Ole Miss.

If I had a vote, I probably would have gone:

1. McCaffrey
2. Fournette
3. Mayfield
4. Henry
5. Watson


That being said, I don't really care. Good for Henry. The system gave him the Heisman.
This post was edited on 12/13/15 at 10:24 am
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