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re: I have no idea how BYU fields a competitive football team.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 6:34 pm to UncleRoll
Posted on 12/27/25 at 6:34 pm to UncleRoll
That is not a requirement anymore if it ever was. I will soon have two daughters up in Provo attending BYU. There are many players on their athletic teams that are not LDS. They commit to the honor code and do have to take some religion classes but that is the extent of their involvement with the Church of Jesus Christ. BYU views their commitment to Jesus Christ far more seriously than any other religious school like Baylor, SMU, TCU, Notre Dame, etc. break the honor code, you’re off the team. I respect that.
As far as the other non-sensical takes on the “Mormon Jesus” I’d say that most LDS folks know the Bible as well if not better than folks from any other religion. We use the King James Bible just as much as the Book of Mormon. It may be convenient for you to dismiss them outright with this silly belief, but they put their money where their mouth is when it comes to faith. If you doubt, strike up a conversation with someone who is LDS. You’ll see their “fruits” are those of a God fearing/loving disciples.
As far as the LDS mission, missionaries can serve now at the age of 18. They return home by the age of 20 so could reasonably play at 20 and not 22 and 23 like most mention on this thread.
Jim McMahon was never LDS and resented the honor code he was expected to abide by, but apparently, abide he did and college football and the NFL benefitted from his acquiescence.
As far as the other non-sensical takes on the “Mormon Jesus” I’d say that most LDS folks know the Bible as well if not better than folks from any other religion. We use the King James Bible just as much as the Book of Mormon. It may be convenient for you to dismiss them outright with this silly belief, but they put their money where their mouth is when it comes to faith. If you doubt, strike up a conversation with someone who is LDS. You’ll see their “fruits” are those of a God fearing/loving disciples.
As far as the LDS mission, missionaries can serve now at the age of 18. They return home by the age of 20 so could reasonably play at 20 and not 22 and 23 like most mention on this thread.
Jim McMahon was never LDS and resented the honor code he was expected to abide by, but apparently, abide he did and college football and the NFL benefitted from his acquiescence.
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Posted on 12/27/25 at 6:46 pm to UncleRoll
You nailed it with th we advantage they have by going on the missions. Its often men vs boys.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 7:13 pm to AwgustaDawg
Total historical wins, eh?
Way to do the work and chisel out some distortive data to conform to your parochial take.
Where is Army situated?
Way to do the work and chisel out some distortive data to conform to your parochial take.
Where is Army situated?
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 7:24 pm to StreamsOfWhiskey
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As far as the other non-sensical takes on the “Mormon Jesus” I’d say that most LDS folks know the Bible as well if not better than folks from any other religion. We use the King James Bible just as much as the Book of Mormon.
To be fair, that poster was correct in that LDS believes that Jesus was a "created being"... but there are Christian groups who have similar doctrines. Just not quite as exotic as the LDS.
But the problem with having "Jesus" as the second part of an eternal godhead is that it means that the Adam/Eve/Apple/Talking Snake exercise was rigged... because if they hadn't eaten the apple... there wouldn't have been any need for an earthly Jesus.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 7:32 pm to StreamsOfWhiskey
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As far as the other non-sensical takes on the “Mormon Jesus” I’d say that most LDS folks know the Bible as well if not better than folks from any other religion. We use the King James Bible just as much as the Book of Mormon.
Spin it however you want, but one of the few things that Christians of all denominations and traditions can agree on is that Mormonism is heresy. But congrats on beating the Tech.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 7:33 pm to Raoul Stimulato
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Total historical wins, eh? Way to do the work and chisel out some distortive data to conform to your parochial take. Where is Army situated?
The OP asked how BYU was competitive. They aren’t. They have an all time winning % of .583. In an 11 game season that’s 6-5. By comparison Army has a .572 winning % all time. Vandy is at .486. That’s 5-6 in an 11 game season. In a conference with 6 programs among the top 15 winningest programs in CFB history who also happen to be charter members of the SEC. The math simply doesn’t support the idea that BYU is competitive. They aren’t by any measure. There’s nothing wrong with that….but it is a fact.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 7:54 pm to AwgustaDawg
BYU had like a .450 win percentage in their incipience.
They then hired Lavell Edwards in 1972. Since then, they’re about .700 win rate and top 10 nationally in wins overall.
They won another game today.
They then hired Lavell Edwards in 1972. Since then, they’re about .700 win rate and top 10 nationally in wins overall.
They won another game today.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:11 pm to Raoul Stimulato
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BYU had like a .450 win percentage in their incipience. They then hired Lavell Edwards in 1972. Since then, they’re about .700 win rate and top 10 nationally in wins overall. They won another game today.
BYU and Lavelle Edward’s would be what BYU was and always has been if they weren’t in a third tier conference. They are simply not competitive at the top of college football. They ain’t alone….about 90 of 130+ aren’t either.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:41 pm to UncleRoll
They have a monopoly on Mormon NIL deals/donors.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:52 pm to FooManChoo
Mormon missionaries try to reel you in by positioning their beliefs as not that different than other Protestant sects. But once you actaully get deeper into their theology… it’s pretty freaking different
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:54 pm to UncleRoll
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That’s why the majority of their players are about 24 or 25 years old
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:55 pm to Gunga Din
God the father is also a created being in Mormonism. He was once a mortal man who became a god.
They believe anybody can become a god in the afterlife
They believe anybody can become a god in the afterlife
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:56 pm to UncleRoll
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How were they ever competitive
quote:you answered your question
the majority of their players are about 24 or 25 years old
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:57 pm to CNB
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will not hear any negativity about the Pop Tart bowl
Cherry Pop Tart falling from the top of the toaster has been the highlight of the bowl season , so far
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:57 pm to Utah_CUtiger
quote:Their core belief structure was rooted in polygamy. Yeah, it’s freaking different.
it’s pretty freaking different
Posted on 12/28/25 at 5:18 pm to TROJANFORCEONE
A false mormon Jesus which is not the Jesus of Bible.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 5:20 pm to RT1941
Worse. They reject the Jesus of the Bible and teach Jesus was just a man, a created being, not the eternal son of God.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 5:25 pm to Gunga Din
It's not righed. It's called the sovereignty of God. Men have free will. Men choose to sin. God ordained the fall by allowing it to happen so He could send His Son to redeem sinners and be glorified as a merciful savior.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 5:26 pm to LOLapi
Nobody cares about your fairy tales
Posted on 12/28/25 at 6:51 pm to LOLapi
Mormonism is a cult like Scientology, but with a longer history.
Anyway, one of my favorite Bama games was vs BYU in Tuscaloosa in 1998...night game, first game with a new upper deck and it was an offensive shootout. Shaun Alexander set a school record scoring 5 TDs. Not many decent OOC games in the 90s.
Anyway, one of my favorite Bama games was vs BYU in Tuscaloosa in 1998...night game, first game with a new upper deck and it was an offensive shootout. Shaun Alexander set a school record scoring 5 TDs. Not many decent OOC games in the 90s.
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