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re: I glad these kneelers where not at Normandy or Guadalcanal

Posted on 2/24/19 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19068 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 6:10 pm to
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Explain the link between your family's veterans and black sportsmen protesting?


If you cant figure the link of a person's family of the 40's era fightin and dying for the country, values, and flag that it represents and the stupid people of today trashing that then you are really stuuuuupiid. I talk to my 93 year old FIL who spent time on Okinawa and the memories still to this day bring back tears. These stupid cucks dont know sacrifice or the meaning of it.

Life aint on an xbox dude. Further, I would bet my arse that these young men have never seen any racism like their fathers and grandfathers faced. They would not know it if it hit em in the face.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 6:14 pm to
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What generation are you from? No trolling here. What generation do you lay claim to?

Are you a Baby Boomer? Gen X? Millenial?


Tail end of the Baby Boomers, my parents were from the "Greatest Generation" and every year I recognize that more and more.

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This generation had things given to them! By whom?



Mainly their parents. They were given everything growing up, from grades to participation trophies. They expected to go to college and they expected to enjoy it. After they graduate they want the perfect job, when they do not find it they move back home to figure things out. They do not experience things in life, they read about it on the internet and feel just as educated by it.

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How much did they have given to them? Who gave it to them? What exactly has been given to them? Give me some numbers and site some scientific studies.



Again, almost everything. Service to them is what a fraternity or sorority required them to do to make their semester requirements. Something tells me you are from that generation because you want some "scientific studies" from the internet to convince you of this reality and try to validate a thought.

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Have they been spoiled or do they, much like you, have different views then the generations that came before them?



I wouldn't call them spoiled by any generations definition. To be spoiled you have to recognize the behavior is unique to you, this is something the entire generation expects as the norm.

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Is your sole argument that they have been on the internet their entire lives and that makes them less worthy then we are? Because, I humbly offer to you, we are having this discussion on the Internet. You are rapidly closing in on 1300 posts to this forum alone.


I am writing on the internet in my ideal time after spending 30 years in the Military, serving in leadership roles and flying multi-million equipment. In other words, I have some experience to back up my point of views. The definition of learning is defined as a change of behavior as a result of experience. This generation is not learning, because they are not experiencing anything.
This post was edited on 2/24/19 at 6:21 pm
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25197 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:09 pm to
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I am writing on the internet in my ideal time after spending 30 years in the Military, serving in leadership roles and flying multi-million equipment. In other words, I have some experience to back up my point of views. The definition of learning is defined as a change of behavior as a result of experience. This generation is not learning, because they are not experiencing anything.


And yet they are. I say that as a military veteran and coming from a military family. I have family members who fall into this despised generation and they are currently serving.

They are not experiencing anything is, I must say, a somewhat shabby argument when you are talking about 18 year olds. "These people are just old enough to vote! How dare they not have the hard earned life experience that I do?"

I'm just a few years younger then you I would imagine. I am, in fact, 49. I can site a great deal of incidents where both the Baby Boomers and the Gen X made this current generation look like warrior monks. We do not come from generations that can piss on those that follow us from a great height.

I am not some teen aged punk. I have been there. I have done that. Do not presume to judge me.

I do not need evidence because I am part of some spoiled generation. I need evidence because I have been around long enough to know that sometimes people are mad and talking off their heads. You are mad.

You are mad because people are kneeling during the national anthem, despite the fact that both of us have served in a military devoted to ensuring they get the right to do just that. Your 30 years in the military? It was so kids can display their political beliefs... whether you like those beliefs or not.

I think kneeling during the anthem sucks. But I will go back into uniform tomorrow and fight the entire world so that kids today can kneel if they want to.

Either you believe what this country was built on, which includes political dissent that does not agree with your viewpoints, or you want something that is not what we intended when we created this great nation.

The kids are alright. Bitch and moan all you want, but they will do just fine. Just like the rest of us did just fine when it was our time in the barrel.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13030 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:13 pm to
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Arksulli



Perfectly said.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13030 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:19 pm to
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If you cant figure the link of a person's family of the 40's era fightin and dying for the country, values, and flag that it represents and the stupid people of today trashing that then you are really stuuuuupiid. I talk to my 93 year old FIL who spent time on Okinawa and the memories still to this day bring back tears. These stupid cucks dont know sacrifice or the meaning of it. Life aint on an xbox dude. Further, I would bet my arse that these young men have never seen any racism like their fathers and grandfathers faced. They would not know it if it hit em in the face.



This is the equivalent to “get off my lawn you damn kids”.

You should be happy that this generation hasn’t had to fight in a war like that generation did. You should hope that no generation ever has to fight in a war like that again.
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:23 pm to
I can’t imagine how scary Normandy must have been for those men. So young and so far away from their families in a foreign land facing seemingly insurmountable odds. All the months of building anticipation, fear, and anxiety. To have looked out across that beach and see all of those ships, the largest amphibious invasion fleet in history coming directly at you with no hope of immediate relief must have been terrifying. They fought quite bravely.
Posted by TnMountaineer
Minglewood
Member since Aug 2018
3490 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:30 pm to
Arksulli is speaking the truth. Frick anyone who doesn’t agree. Each generation has strong, stable men and women. Each generation has its share of punk bitches, too.


Billy Joel said it best:

“I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight
I once believed in causes too
I had my pointless point of view
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right“
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42645 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:30 pm to
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Arksulli



Perfectly said.




Seconded. Every generation worries about the next generation being the fall of society. The truth is that no matter how many social, technological, or cultural changes we go through people are still people. Teenagers and young adults do teenager/young adult things and older adults do older adult things.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:41 pm to
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And yet they are. I say that as a military veteran and coming from a military family. I have family members who fall into this despised generation and they are currently serving.

They are not experiencing anything is, I must say, a somewhat shabby argument when you are talking about 18 year olds. "These people are just old enough to vote! How dare they not have the hard earned life experience that I do?"

I'm just a few years younger then you I would imagine. I am, in fact, 49. I can site a great deal of incidents where both the Baby Boomers and the Gen X made this current generation look like warrior monks. We do not come from generations that can piss on those that follow us from a great height.

I am not some teen aged punk. I have been there. I have done that. Do not presume to judge me.

I do not need evidence because I am part of some spoiled generation. I need evidence because I have been around long enough to know that sometimes people are mad and talking off their heads. You are mad.

You are mad because people are kneeling during the national anthem, despite the fact that both of us have served in a military devoted to ensuring they get the right to do just that. Your 30 years in the military? It was so kids can display their political beliefs... whether you like those beliefs or not.

I think kneeling during the anthem sucks. But I will go back into uniform tomorrow and fight the entire world so that kids today can kneel if they want to.

Either you believe what this country was built on, which includes political dissent that does not agree with your viewpoints, or you want something that is not what we intended when we created this great nation.

The kids are alright. Bitch and moan all you want, but they will do just fine. Just like the rest of us did just fine when it was our time in the barrel.



There are kids in every generation that get it. I would say the ones who are serving now have sacrificed more than any generation since the "Greatest Generation" because of the multiple deployments. But again, I am not talking about them, but about their classmates that chose not to serve (not a problem)

I have three sons that fall in this generational category. I have watched this generation first hand. You asked who to blame and I told you the parents. I am just as guilty as the next. I have been a great enabler to this pattern as any parent. I understand their political views and in fact my oldest is more conservative politically than me. That is one of the problems, I tell him all the time, before you form any opinion on a subject, experience life before you judge. Go see the world before you try to fight and save it.

I love the Facebook Warriors that judge the rest of the world based on their vast experience. They are not just 18 year olds, they are Mothers and Fathers who cry about the injustices of the US and how we treat immigrants on the border and their plight to get here. They are insulted when our President calls other countries "shite holes", but in fact most of them have only seen the world thru the fist-class window on an airliner, a porthole on a cruise ship or thru a window in a cab on their way to a five star resort. And many are 49 year olds.

I have always said that the players have every right to kneel for the anthem. But those rights extends to those who feel it does dishonor to this country. Again a lesson I try to teach my children, with every action, there will be a reaction. Don't complain about the reaction.


This post was edited on 2/24/19 at 7:43 pm
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57698 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:45 pm to
The kneeling was retarded and the coach should have put a stop to it. Instead he fed into it and let his team do something embarrassing, disrespectful, and asinine.
Posted by OleManDixon
Lexington
Member since Jan 2018
9234 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:50 pm to
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Right? I had a great uncle that served in Vietnam. Was also stationed overseas for some time afterward. He wasn't alive to see players kneeling but we had a discussion about protesting in general once (maybe even flag burning) and he simply said, "I've seen a dictatorship and lived in one while stationed overseas. I never want to live in a country where people are punished for peacefully expressing their opinion. That's what those people do. Not us.". Seemed like a pretty reasonable opinion.


The fact that the above post received multiple downvotes is troubling.
Posted by TnMountaineer
Minglewood
Member since Aug 2018
3490 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:51 pm to
Kermit is a good man and the team did nothing embarrassing.

Let it go. It doesn’t change your life at all one way or the other.

Some of y’all are grumpy bastards who need to get laid.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25197 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:00 pm to
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I have always said that the players have every right to kneel for the anthem. But those rights extends to those who feel it does dishonor to this country. Again a lesson I try to teach my children, with every action, there will be a reaction. Don't complain about the reaction.




I suspect we will have to agree to disagree, even though we probably agree on a great many things when it comes to this particular topic.

I do not think the future is so dark and the next generation so weak, that they will not raise up the challenge to the best of their ability. I have faith.

If nothing else, take solace in this. 40 years from now the iGen will be talking about what lazy and shiftless good for nothings the current young generation is and how they have it easy.
Posted by boot
Member since Oct 2014
2876 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:00 pm to
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Frick anyone who doesn’t agree.


This mindset is becoming more prevalent and helps absolutely nothing.
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:01 pm to
frick you, it’s great.
Posted by boot
Member since Oct 2014
2876 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:04 pm to
What’s great about it, bud?
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:05 pm to
Ping-pong politics is entertaining.
Posted by bigman334
Member since Jul 2013
2417 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:07 pm to
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Nobody is going to cause them physical harm



oh.. well everything is fine then...
Posted by boot
Member since Oct 2014
2876 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:09 pm to
frick you too?
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:09 pm to
There you go, that’s how it’s done.
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