re: I glad these kneelers where not at Normandy or Guadalcanal

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This soft generation would not make it in Patton's 3rd army.

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Sigh.

OK, for the record I think kneeling for the anthem is tacky as hell and if I was the head coach some kids would be running stairs for a while.

That having been said... Generation Z, or the iGen as people are calling today, and that is the generation we are discussing folks, the Millenials are all starting to lose their hair and are working on their second marriages by now, is not shaping up to be the "snowflakes" that people love to call them.

Snowflakes, it should be mentioned, was a term coined by a gay writer in a parody of overwrought masculinity. So... thumbs up to everyone using it today I guess.

This iGen has only known war; we've been at war as long as they can remember and they still volunteer to join the military. They came of age during the recovery from the Great Recession so they believe you can overcome any obstacle if you put your mind to it. They didn't have the hovering parents the Millenials were stuck with, they've grown up with win at any cost as their mantra.

We mocked Millenials but they kept reenlisting in the military even when they were getting sent on their 3rd tour in some Middle Eastern hellhole, and Generation Z is doing the same thing.

They'd never make it Patton's 3rd Army? The majority of Patton's soldiers were draftees. Once the war was over they couldn't get out of the military fast enough. Patton would suck a dead dog's dick to get soldiers as educated and dedicated as these kids.

The kids are alright. They are a bit different then you and that is fine. Every generation is a bit different. Considering all the things my generation and the generations that came before and after me fricked up I'm willing to give them a chance to make their own mistakes.

frick the OP

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It's the people that give them that right to at least respect it.

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For one, they weren't given that right by any one human or group of humans. It's a right given by God and nature and that natural right is defended by the First Ammendment. The people you are referencing defend that right against foes who wish to destroy it.

For two, one of the biggest flaws in this line of thinking is assuming everyone who has served thinks as a Borg unit. That's just not true. Many are apathetic, ambivalent or in support of these specific types of peaceful protest.

Either way, once again, everyone is endowed with the right to speak and present their point of view, and others are endowed the right to react to that point of view.

It's America at it's most fundamentally great core.

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Either way, once again, everyone is endowed with the right to speak and present their point of view, and others are endowed the right to react to that point of view.

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Right their is also consequences with people thinking it's disrespectful.

How does some idiot racist group who really know one even knew affect anyone until yesterday until the players disrespected the flag brought it to everyones attention?

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100% agree - and I said as much

That's America.

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Other than being disrespectful and attention seekers, what did that accomplish?


How does protesting that hold them back in any way shape or form. Since we talking about change?

If you think that the nation was stronger during WW2 because people weren’t protesting civil rights abuses, you’re just historically wrong.

See Detroit riots of 1943 for example.
Detroit 1943

I’d argue that kneeling for the anthem at a basketball is a far better choice of action than what “the greatest generation” did, which was basically to battle it out in the streets, leaving dozens dead.

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Right their is also consequences with people thinking it's disrespectful.

How does some idiot racist group who really know one even knew affect anyone until yesterday until the players disrespected the flag brought it to everyones attention?

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You have headache inducing super powers.

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You have headache inducing super powers.

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Their and know have to be on purpose.

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The problem I have are those who profit from racism. Did Kaepernick profit from this more than his QB talent would have acquired ?

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Bingo. Was never about social injustice to him.

TV and money

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This country never operates properly, and that is why it is great. We are always trying to correct what we think is wrong.

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100% agree Puppets

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The problem I have are those who profit from racism

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Also 100% agree. The folks whose entire livelihood is race are also the ones who will never say "Things are really looking better in _______ area. We talked about fixing things and everybody involved has worked hard and we've made progress." They make money and keep power through outrage, and outrage doesn't work in a situation where honest actors are working to fix things. So they just move on or ignore any positive action brought about by the initial outrage and find something else to flex their twitter muscle on.