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re: I doubt this happens but Finebaum did have really good point on Texas and OU to the SEC.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:25 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:25 pm to RollingwiththeTide
College football is already dying a slow death of becoming a regional interest sport. IMO Texas and OU to the Pac 12 is better for everyone in CFB.
The SEC and Southeastern ACC programs can't be the only succesful programs forever and expect the sport to survive.
The Big 10 and Pac NEED to get back in the picture or college football will die. Giving the Pac 12 UT and OU as a shot in the arm to get the western half of the country to paying attention again seems like a solid move.
The SEC and Southeastern ACC programs can't be the only succesful programs forever and expect the sport to survive.
The Big 10 and Pac NEED to get back in the picture or college football will die. Giving the Pac 12 UT and OU as a shot in the arm to get the western half of the country to paying attention again seems like a solid move.
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:30 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Its ALWAYS about the money. Sankey would not allow the Longhorn Network
Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:48 pm to Luke
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I’d prefer UNC, Duke, VATECH
Wonderful - but they all prefer the B1G
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:02 pm to RebelTheBear
Oklahoma is further south than Missouri and also much more culturally southern
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:13 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Georgia tech and Virginia tech would get my vote for additions to the conference. Very successful programs at times throughout their history and fit the conference geographically. State of Georgia should have 2 teams in the conference imo.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:16 pm to Guitarcheese
GT left the SEC years ago. They are a better fit today where they are I think.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:17 pm to Guitarcheese
The libs in Atlanta in the 60's were going to teach the SEC a lesson by leaving for PROFIT
It really worked out well for them.
It really worked out well for them.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:24 pm to RollingwiththeTide
quote:I'm going to disagree with Paul that Texas and OU are certain to have other options.
He basically said that most of the SEC may not want them in the league but it sounds like they both want out of the Big 12 and if the SEC doesn’t take them then someone else will. He made a good point because if you put Texas and OU in the PAC 12 then that league moves to second in the conference rankings overnight. And if they got really crazy and took another team or two from somewhere that’s solid programs then they could make a big push to the front. By doing this deal the SEC locks up number 1 in the conference rankings overnight. And with the playoff expansion this could set up SEC dominance for years to come. Even though most of us may not like the move.
The window on these schools moving to the Pac has closed. Larry Scott is on the way out, and the school presidents have soured on expansion. If this is about a race to 16, then you'd be talking about OU, Texas, and 2 other schools going to the Pac (likely OSU and Texas Tech), which would result in the league being split into East and West divisions. That would basically separate the Arizona schools, Colorado, and Utah from the founding West Coast Pac schools, and have them playing a lot of 9 a.m. Pacfic Time games (the whole point of adding Central time zone schools to the Pac is to have a presence in the Noon Easter TV window).
The ACC isn't going to 16 without Notre Dame accepting full membership. Can't do that and take Texas and OU.
The Big Ten might be interested, but I can't see the west schools opting to be run over by Texas and OU in perpetuity--they can't compete with the East schools, but at least they have a chance to win their division and pull an upset in the championship game. Add OU (and Texas), and that's out the window.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:24 pm to RollingwiththeTide
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He basically said that most of the SEC may not want them in the league but it sounds like they both want out of the Big 12 and if the SEC doesn’t take them then someone else will. He made a good point because if you put Texas and OU in the PAC 12 then that league moves to second in the conference rankings overnight. And if they got really crazy and took another team or two from somewhere that’s solid programs then they could make a big push to the front. By doing this deal the SEC locks up number 1 in the conference rankings overnight. And with the playoff expansion this could set up SEC dominance for years to come. Even though most of us may not like the move.
Where is the good point?
What the hell difference does it make what conference they are in? So they go to the Pac 12, Oklahoma goes to the playoff, loses the game.
What changed?
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:25 pm to aggressor
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there is no way that Texas can do that unless they get A&M's full throated support
Really?
This post was edited on 7/21/21 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:26 pm to Guitarcheese
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Georgia tech and Virginia tech would get my vote for additions to the conference. Very successful programs at times throughout their history and fit the conference geographically. State of Georgia should have 2 teams in the conference imo.
frick Georgia Tech.
They were a member before, they were a bunch of crybabies who left the conference thinking they were going to accomplish something, only to find out nobody gave a frick.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:28 pm to csgau
quote:I think it would be a huge mistake to bring either into the SEC.
Its ALWAYS about the money. Sankey would not allow the Longhorn Network
But if it were to happen, Texas and ESPN would simply have to dissolve that network,
which apparently has yet to make a dime for ESPN. They should not be allowed to break up the continuity that
is now the SEC Network ; not for a year or a day.
This post was edited on 7/21/21 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:31 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Exactly. If sec says No
Then they go to Pac12 or B10
Sec has to adjust to also be a super conference anf they are left with scraps like Va Tech or NC State
The sec won't remain as is if other conference go super that's 100% a given so it makes no logical sense to say No to UT and OU
Then they go to Pac12 or B10
Sec has to adjust to also be a super conference anf they are left with scraps like Va Tech or NC State
The sec won't remain as is if other conference go super that's 100% a given so it makes no logical sense to say No to UT and OU
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:36 pm to 3down10
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Where is the good point?
What the hell difference does it make what conference they are in? So they go to the Pac 12, Oklahoma goes to the playoff, loses the game.
What changed?
Are you truly that blind? Wherever they go essentially starts the super conferences. The SeC is going to sit by and watch other conferences realign again and just stay complacent as is.
That's extremely dumb
It also doesn't make sense to tell them No and then get second pickings like Va Tech and NC state
Neither of those schools would bring anything to sec on the level UT and Ou would.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 6:52 pm to RollingwiththeTide
The point is the whole metric of value has changed. It’s gone from TV demographic reach to brand. Brand will take over the earlier consideration. We’ll kick Vandy and the Mississippi schools out of the conference to make money. Add FSU and North Carolina too.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:12 pm to RollingwiththeTide
The problem with them going to the PAC is it’s leaving one dying conference to join the next one on life support. They will be in the same boat at some point in the future.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:17 pm to aggressor
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unless they get A&M's full throated support
Well…. Bama gets it all the time. LOL
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:18 pm to RumHam
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there is no way that Texas can do that unless they get A&M's full throated support
Really?
Most of you folks have no idea of the money, power, and politics involved. Texas will need support from the Leg to leave. Abbott is a Texas grad but that isn't nearly enough. Tech, TCU, and Baylor will fight like hell to keep them from leaving and blowing up the Big 12. That means Waco, Fort Worth, and Lubbock for starters plus a LOT of very powerful alums.
A&M has the second most power of them all and they have a massive trump card. The Permanent University Fund goes 1/3rd to A&M and 2/3rds to Texas and Tech and the rest get nothing. If A&M went along that extra 1/3rd Texas gets can be redistributed and Texas will do anything to stop that from happening. A&M can swing the votes either way by pushing their political power for or against Texas on any of those issues becasue since we are not in the same conference with them and we have enough of our own resources (along with almost half a million alumni) they cannot defeat us if we go along with the other 4. Oh, and you better bet your arse that SMU, Houston, and Rice and their alums have no love lost for the sips either.
The day I knew A&M was going to the SEC was the day that Dodds foolishly came out and said that as long as Texas was there the Big 12 would exist. That gave A&M its freedom papers and bound the fates of the other schools to Texas who were happy not to be thrown into the abyss like SMU, Rice, and Houston.
A&M and Texas control the state because in the end we work together where it counts. The beginning of every session of the Leg starts with an "Orange and Maroon Day" that is basically the alums of both schools reminding them of that. Texas simply cannot afford for A&M to abandon them for the others politically.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:22 pm to RebelTheBear
Neither are Mizos and Aggie technically.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:23 pm to phil4bama
As the guy said in another post it will be about brand. The more big brands you have in a league the more eyes your league will get. Having UT, OU, OR, USC, Stanford, Utah, and UCLA all together isn’t something to sneeze at. And that’s if they don’t go big and steal away some other big name or two somewhere. All those teams above have shown a history of making a major run except for maybe UCLA. They have a high profile coach though and have a brand name due to basketball. So they SEC has to take this move under advisement even if we as fans do not like it. As the old saying goes you lead follow or get out of the way and the SEC should always lead.
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