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Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:15 pm to Mobtro
Yeah, it's really just semantics, they will put the best possible fan favorites up there, and justify it any way they can. Total opposite philosophy from the BCS system. The committee focuses on popularity and potential viewers.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:29 pm to Scoob
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Yeah, it's really just semantics, they will put the best possible fan favorites up there, and justify it any way they can. Total opposite philosophy from the BCS system. The committee focuses on popularity and potential viewers.
Ha, right, because Clemson is so popular on a national scale. Good grief do you even think about what you're about to post before pressing submit?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:57 pm to jcljag
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Look. I know some on this board are lacking certain mental capabilities to understand what I was talking about. I’m not bitching about Uga being 7. I’m not whining about getting beat down by Auburn. I’m simply saying that using injuries to justify a ranking is not a good thing. Then I listed 3 examples of injuries. I was not implying (sorry if you don’t know what that means Fine) that they should consider Uga to be ranked higher. I’m saying it’s part of the game. They have not mentioned this focus until this week. I’m really sorry for confusing some of you with actual football ball talk. For some football talk is “we screwed dem puppies in the butt and drug deir balls on their fans face”. But I guess it’s wrong of me to judge. Kerryon.
FIFY
Posted on 11/15/17 at 11:27 pm to jcljag
I haven't seen UGA fans cry like this since the Spurrier years.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 11:31 pm to Mobtro
Does anyone know how BCS Top4 would have matched or deviated from the playoff top 4 the past three years? Has that been published anywhere?
Posted on 11/16/17 at 12:00 am to Orange_and_Blur
Chex. Your one of the idiots who is incapable of talking football. I understand why you are happy. Auburn finally beat the hell out of Georgia. I get it. We’ve beaten the hell out of you too. This is not a thread about being a dumbass. Their are hundreds of those already. If you are not capable of understanding this subject, I’m sorry.
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 12:02 am to Orange_and_Blur
Really Orange? Please go to the non power 5 board. This is way above you.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 2:31 am to jcljag
Bring back bcs and pick top four
Much easier
Much easier
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:06 am to beauchristopher
Georgia got their pants pulled down by a team that lost to a team that lost to Troy. Georgia's only "quality" win came against a fraud ND that was exposed by MiamiU as much as UGA was exposed by Auburn.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 4:42 am to jcljag
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Selection committee chair Kirby Hocutt said No. 4 Oklahoma's loss to four-loss Iowa State kept it from going higher, but he was pressed about why Clemson, then, was No. 2 after losing to six-loss Syracuse. Hocutt said Clemson's six wins vs. teams with winning records are more than any other team in the top 25. The committee continues to factor in the injury to Clemson QB Kelly Bryant in its loss. "When we looked at Oklahoma's loss to Iowa State, there was no such injury that the selection committee had talked about or was aware of," he said. "We continue to take into account with Clemson's loss the injury to their quarterback and also the fact he came into that game not 100 percent."
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 5:21 am to RabMichael
quote:Clemson? You mean the defending national champ, the team that played Alabama really close the year before, that Clemson?
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Yeah, it's really just semantics, they will put the best possible fan favorites up there, and justify it any way they can. Total opposite philosophy from the BCS system. The committee focuses on popularity and potential viewers.
Ha, right, because Clemson is so popular on a national scale. Good grief do you even think about what you're about to post before pressing submit?
Yes, they are popular right now. If they are a 1-loss ACC champ, and the committee is choosing between them and a 1-loss Big 12, Pac 12 or Big 10 team, Clemson will get that pick.
Look, we all know there are more conferences than spots available, and then you throw Notre Dame into the mix. All things being equal, we understand the SEC team (especially Bama) will get in. We know Notre Dame will, if there is any way possible. Ohio State will, if they come out of the Big 10. I am pretty sure the ACC, given Clemson and Florida State's success recently, also has a spot on lockdown too.
That leaves the Pac 12 and the Big 12 hoping someone else falters. Notre Dame has slipped up again, so that's one spot open. Wisconsin is the Big 12's last hope because Ohio St, Michigan and Penn State have all fallen out.
If Oklahoma (or Texas) wins the Big 12, they're going to make it; but if it's TCU or someone like that, they'll get left out if there is any other option. We've already seen that.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 5:36 am to SECFan1995
VTech could probably beat 11 teams in the SEC. Our conference is garbage this year. This is the most top heavy I've ever seen across all the conferences.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:15 am to jcljag
If they both win out Miami and Clemson have a play in game anyway so none of this matters as long as both are in the top 5.
No one will remember or care what the rankings are right now.
U(sic)GA isn't top 4 under any scenario until they win some more.
No one will remember or care what the rankings are right now.
U(sic)GA isn't top 4 under any scenario until they win some more.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:20 am to jcljag
I understand what you are ranting about but its so much deeper than that. There is no way to logically place these teams. The great thing about it is, none of it matter. Clemson and Miami will play and that will be decided. Auburn -Alabama and Georgia will play and that will be decided
If you are trying to justify loses, how do you do that with Auburn losing to LSU who lost to troy?
I know this is more about them saying Injuries were the reason but its just a justification for a loss which you just cant do in college football.
If you are trying to justify loses, how do you do that with Auburn losing to LSU who lost to troy?
I know this is more about them saying Injuries were the reason but its just a justification for a loss which you just cant do in college football.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:21 am to LanierSpots
This year is turning into a very bad year for the committee.
It was created to prevent another 2011 type of matchup (LSU-Bama from the SEC), and 4 teams were put in, among other reasons, to create a more even representation.
As it now stands, the ACC has the 2 and 3 seeds. You think that will work itself out, but let's suppose that Clemson beats Miami in an alltime classic in OT. Maybe Clemson gets the benefit of a late controversial call in that game.
That would leave Miami and Clemson both a 12-1, and little real differentiation between the two.
Let's then suppose that Alabama beats Auburn, then loses a similarly close game to Georgia, with a similarly questionable call. That would have Georgia, currently on the outside looking in, as the SEC champ, and Alabama with a legit claim as one of the 4 best teams in the country.
That creates a lot of potential problems. If Wisky wins out, you are faced with leaving either Miami, Alabama, or both out (you can't leave an unbeaten team from the Big 10 out when they might be the only one left). You would think they wouldn't dare leave Alabama out, but then do you screw over the ACC and defending champ, or the current SEC champ? Do you bump both out for Oklahoma, if that happens? And what if they do, and Oklahoma gets drilled?
Similar problems come about, if the following occurs:
Miami, Wisconsin, UCF and Auburn win out, and Oklahoma wins. Alabama wins other than the Auburn game, which was a nailbiter. You then are looking to pick from the following teams:
13-0 Miami (in), 13-0 Wisconsin (in), 12-1 Oklahoma (almost definitely in), 11-2 SEC Champ Auburn, 12-0 UCF, 11-1 Alabama.
Do you dare tell Auburn their record isn't good enough? Do you leave a 1-loss Bama out? Do you avoid the issue entirely by giving the bid to Cinderella? Do you screw Oklahoma?
Or let's say Oklahoma loses another game in that last scenario. That will leave you with 2 undefeated teams certainly in, a 1 loss traditonal powerhouse in Alabama in serious danger, a group of 2 loss Power 5 champs (with the Pac 12 maybe also in that mix), and another undefeated D1 team getting shut out due to lack of respect.
It was created to prevent another 2011 type of matchup (LSU-Bama from the SEC), and 4 teams were put in, among other reasons, to create a more even representation.
As it now stands, the ACC has the 2 and 3 seeds. You think that will work itself out, but let's suppose that Clemson beats Miami in an alltime classic in OT. Maybe Clemson gets the benefit of a late controversial call in that game.
That would leave Miami and Clemson both a 12-1, and little real differentiation between the two.
Let's then suppose that Alabama beats Auburn, then loses a similarly close game to Georgia, with a similarly questionable call. That would have Georgia, currently on the outside looking in, as the SEC champ, and Alabama with a legit claim as one of the 4 best teams in the country.
That creates a lot of potential problems. If Wisky wins out, you are faced with leaving either Miami, Alabama, or both out (you can't leave an unbeaten team from the Big 10 out when they might be the only one left). You would think they wouldn't dare leave Alabama out, but then do you screw over the ACC and defending champ, or the current SEC champ? Do you bump both out for Oklahoma, if that happens? And what if they do, and Oklahoma gets drilled?
Similar problems come about, if the following occurs:
Miami, Wisconsin, UCF and Auburn win out, and Oklahoma wins. Alabama wins other than the Auburn game, which was a nailbiter. You then are looking to pick from the following teams:
13-0 Miami (in), 13-0 Wisconsin (in), 12-1 Oklahoma (almost definitely in), 11-2 SEC Champ Auburn, 12-0 UCF, 11-1 Alabama.
Do you dare tell Auburn their record isn't good enough? Do you leave a 1-loss Bama out? Do you avoid the issue entirely by giving the bid to Cinderella? Do you screw Oklahoma?
Or let's say Oklahoma loses another game in that last scenario. That will leave you with 2 undefeated teams certainly in, a 1 loss traditonal powerhouse in Alabama in serious danger, a group of 2 loss Power 5 champs (with the Pac 12 maybe also in that mix), and another undefeated D1 team getting shut out due to lack of respect.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:22 am to tider04
The OP is correct. You have to consider the games played. Not what the committee thinks the games played would look like if everyone was healthy. Part of being a quality team is having the depth to last the season and overcoming injuries and adversity. If not this, you may as well just look at the teams on paper at the beginning of the year and start the playoffs.
As I have said before, the committee seems to view a loss as a loss instead of looking at who the loss was to. I loss to Syracuse should ding a team much more than a loss to a top 10 team.
Quality wins and terrible losses should both be considered and injuries are a part of the game.
As I have said before, the committee seems to view a loss as a loss instead of looking at who the loss was to. I loss to Syracuse should ding a team much more than a loss to a top 10 team.
Quality wins and terrible losses should both be considered and injuries are a part of the game.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:29 am to jcljag
Clemson is where they are because they’ve played a tough schedule, beating more teams with a winning record than anybody in college football.
That used to be all that mattered when it was SEC teams that could say that.....
With the 5th ranked schedule nobody else is even close to Clemson in the top 10 of the Sagarin rankings except Notre Dame.
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That used to be all that mattered when it was SEC teams that could say that.....
With the 5th ranked schedule nobody else is even close to Clemson in the top 10 of the Sagarin rankings except Notre Dame.
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:30 am to TomRollTideRitter
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The committee is there to ensure good matchups and to put the bigger brands in if at all justifiable, and they've made their criteria very broad to make it so they can justify just about anything.
I think this is spot on. Pick the teams that can reasonably be included that are the bigger brands, then create the rationale.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:33 am to DannyByGodFord
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Clemson is where they are because they’ve played a tough schedule, beating more teams with a winning record than anybody in college football. That used to be all that mattered when it was SEC teams that could say that..... With the 5th ranked schedule nobody else is even close to Clemson in the top 10 of the Sagarin rankings except Notre Dame.
Clemson is 1-0 vs the Top 10, 5-0 vs the Top 30, 8-0 vs the Top 50 and 1-1 vs 31-130 (loss to #56)
Oklahoma is 1-0 vs the Top 10, 4-1 vs the Top 30, 6-1 vs the Top 50 and 3-0 vs 51-130 (loss to #24)
Yea, I'd go with Oklahoma
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 8:35 am
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