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re: Herb Jones has strayed from his role in the postseason and the team is suffering for it.
Posted on 3/20/21 at 7:07 pm to Marktastic86
Posted on 3/20/21 at 7:07 pm to Marktastic86
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This is the sort of dude that could win the lottery and then immediately start complaining about the taxes he'll have to pay.
Or maybe I have higher expectations for this team than a 1st round win over a 15 seed? We are playing well enough to win close games against teams like Tennessee and LSU. We are not playing well enough to beat high seeds without some change.
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Posted on 3/20/21 at 7:14 pm to MillerLiteTime
Maybe he’s trying to pick up Petty’s slack and lack of production.
Posted on 3/20/21 at 7:22 pm to MillerLiteTime
quote:Man! Quinerly's already picked up his game and busts his arse trying to do all he can, but he needs help to cover BOTH Petty and Primos contribution! SOMEBODY ELSE needs to step up, or Herb's got to do more..it's pretty simple.
Basketball is also a game where every FG attempt someone takes is also an attempt someone else doesn't take. I think we would be more efficient on offense with Quinerly picking up most of Primo's attempts instead of Herb Jones. He is much better at driving to the paint and scoring than Jones.
PS- Did you see Quinerly over on the bench in the last 30 seconds of the game?...the kid was literally worn out.
This post was edited on 3/20/21 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 3/20/21 at 7:26 pm to MillerLiteTime
quote:I agree with this. A good Petty and a Primo back playing would, I think, do the job, and unless there's an unsung hero on the bench, we need to hope for the best!
Or maybe I have higher expectations for this team than a 1st round win over a 15 seed? We are playing well enough to win close games against teams like Tennessee and LSU. We are not playing well enough to beat high seeds without some change.
Posted on 3/20/21 at 7:32 pm to MillerLiteTime
What a bad take
This post was edited on 3/20/21 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 3/20/21 at 7:36 pm to MillerLiteTime
Of all the dumb takes I've ever seen on this board, this is easily the dumbest.
Posted on 3/20/21 at 8:21 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Obviously we have won all of these games,
You are a fricking jokePosted on 3/20/21 at 8:39 pm to MillerLiteTime
I guess coaches setting up a game plan with players roles have nothing to do with it
Posted on 3/21/21 at 8:21 am to MillerLiteTime
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God it is frustrating talking basketball with football fans. Saying Herb Jones is shooting too much or that his offensive game is lacking isn't the same as saying Herb Jones is a bad basketball player. He's an ELITE defender and my argument is that he needs to return to that Dennis Rodman role instead of trying to be Rodman and Michael Jordan. We can still obviously win games with Jones playing in this role, but I don't think we beat Texas, Michigan, or especially Gonzaga with Jones taking more shots than anyone else and from all over the court.
When John Pretty starts doing his job, Herb can do just that. When Primo comes back, maybe Herb can do just that. Otherwise, this team was going belly up until Herb stood up again and again. It doesn't have to be pretty, it just has to be, dude.
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Lazy argument. If none of us can offer opinions on gameplay if the coach has more experience than us, then we need to shut down this board. No shite Nate Oats knows more about basketball than me.
So you just got mine. See how that works?
Posted on 3/21/21 at 8:30 am to MillerLiteTime
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I'd love to see Petty on the bench as a rotational player.
Was listening to radio broadcast and around 12 mins left, they mentioned Petty was leading the team in +/- despite his shooting woes. Don’t know how the numbers concluded, but definitely disagree with 99% of what you’ve said thus far.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 8:37 am to MillerLiteTime
He has to shoot those 3’s.
I don’t care if he shoots 0-1, 0-2, 0-3. He has to take the shots so he doesn’t become 1 dimensional.
He usually has a smaller defender on him and he’s a 6’8 mismatch driving to the basket. Plus he’s a good free throw shooter.
I don’t care if he shoots 0-1, 0-2, 0-3. He has to take the shots so he doesn’t become 1 dimensional.
He usually has a smaller defender on him and he’s a 6’8 mismatch driving to the basket. Plus he’s a good free throw shooter.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 8:42 am to MillerLiteTime
LoGiK
Posted on 3/21/21 at 9:06 am to MillerLiteTime
See that?
Zero upvotes.
43 downvotes and counting.
Do better.
Zero upvotes.
43 downvotes and counting.
Do better.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 9:26 am to TiderNAL
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See that?
Zero upvotes.
43 downvotes and counting.
Do better.
At least you know I don't upvote myself. I posted this knowing it would be an unpopular and contrarian opinion. Our path just got a lot easier with Texas, BYU, and UCONN losing, but I still stand by my argument that if Herb Jones continues to average 16 FG attempts a game (double his season avg), we won't make it to the Final 4. Having your 5th or 6th best shooter leading the team in attempts will catch up to you eventually.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:09 am to MillerLiteTime
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At least you know I don't upvote myself. I posted this knowing it would be an unpopular and contrarian opinion. Our path just got a lot easier with Texas, BYU, and UCONN losing, but I still stand by my argument that if Herb Jones continues to average 16 FG attempts a game (double his season avg), we won't make it to the Final 4. Having your 5th or 6th best shooter leading the team in attempts will catch up to you eventually.
I believe how you worded your thread is the booger bear of all this. The word "strayed" is the culprit. With the loss of a large amount of their offensive production (3-point proficiency), there is a void which MUST be filled in order for them to compete with the elite teams. JQ has upped his game and is leaving it all out on the floor while Skackleford isn't exactly lighting it up from the 3-point line. SOMEBODY has to step up to take up the slack, and nobody else is rising to the occasion, with the exception of Reese for a short time in the 2nd half.
Herb Jones is NOT the kind of guy who's gonna sit back and watch things implode, so like the leader he is, he's going to do anything to pick'em up!
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 10:11 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:10 am to MillerLiteTime
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Herb is the 4th leading scorer on the team, averaging 8 FG attempts a game, with a skill-set much more suited towards defense, rebounding, and assists. He's never been thought of as a 3 point shooter. And yet...
v. Iona: led the team in FG attempts with 15, 0-2 from 3
v. LSU: 2nd on team with 16 attempts, 0-3 from 3
v. Tennessee: led team with 18 attempts, 0-3 from 3
v. MSU: 4th with 6 attempts, 0-1 from 3 (a better role for him and a blowout win)
Obviously we have won all of these games, but I think most Bama fans would admit we have been somewhat out of rhythm offensively since the MSU game. Petty's poor shooting also shares blame but I think Jones taking on the unnatural role of lead scorer is also causing problems. He's missed his last 13 from 3, and is averaging double his normal FG attempts in the last 3 games.
IMO most of our drive to the basket type shots should be attempted by Quinerly, but Herb keeps trying to play like a point guard without the ball skills or shooting skills to effectively do so.
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Herb is the 4th leading scorer on the team, averaging 8 FG attempts a game, with a skill-set much more suited towards defense, rebounding, and assists. He's never been thought of as a 3 point shooter. And yet...
v. Iona: led the team in FG attempts with 15, 0-2 from 3
v. LSU: 2nd on team with 16 attempts, 0-3 from 3
v. Tennessee: led team with 18 attempts, 0-3 from 3
v. MSU: 4th with 6 attempts, 0-1 from 3 (a better role for him and a blowout win)
Obviously we have won all of these games, but I think most Bama fans would admit we have been somewhat out of rhythm offensively since the MSU game. Petty's poor shooting also shares blame but I think Jones taking on the unnatural role of lead scorer is also causing problems. He's missed his last 13 from 3, and is averaging double his normal FG attempts in the last 3 games.
IMO most of our drive to the basket type shots should be attempted by Quinerly, but Herb keeps trying to play like a point guard without the ball skills or shooting skills to effectively do so.
Herb is an offensive liability and kills the rhythm of the real shooters on this team... there is absolutely no reason for him to dominate the ball the way he does regardless of being POY or Nate being COY... it's obviously hurting the shooting of guys who need to get a flow going.. it's getting worse every game.. this has seemed to make Petty to rush whenever he does get the ball. Herb should only be an option when he has a mismatch in the post...
These are great points you made.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:12 am to MillerLiteTime
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At least you know I don't upvote myself. I posted this knowing it would be an unpopular and contrarian opinion. Our path just got a lot easier with Texas, BYU, and UCONN losing, but I still stand by my argument that if Herb Jones continues to average 16 FG attempts a game (double his season avg), we won't make it to the Final 4. Having your 5th or 6th best shooter leading the team in attempts will catch up to you eventually.
You made an argument in good faith without calling the kid a loser or selfish or dumb like a lot of people do and have done over the years with Alabama basketball. You have a belief, argued it with backup stats and analysis, and then discussed it.
That's what this board should be for.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:13 am to MillerLiteTime
Wrong board.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 10:20 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:17 am to TidalSurge1
Folks, we got dirty laundry flapping all over this thread...probably should go to Bama board...just saying.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:21 am to MillerLiteTime
I'm not sure what's worse, your opinion or your choice of beers.
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