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re: Herb Jones has strayed from his role in the postseason and the team is suffering for it.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:25 am to BamaStepL
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:25 am to BamaStepL
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Herb is an offensive liability and kills the rhythm of the real shooters on this team... there is absolutely no reason for him to dominate the ball the way he does regardless of being POY or Nate being COY... it's obviously hurting the shooting of guys who need to get a flow going.. it's getting worse every game.. this has seemed to make Petty to rush whenever he does get the ball. Herb should only be an option when he has a mismatch in the post...
I have overwhelming evidence that John Petty has been the most inconsistent good/talented shooter to ever play basketball at Alabama. It's not coaching, after 4 seasons and 2 HCs. It's rather in the deep dark recesses of his thought process.
If any natural-born shooter is still in such a constant funk after the green light coach Oats gives his shooters and then the offensive scheme to literally scream it down and insist on it, play after play, it just ain't gonna happen my friend.
Primo was never that guy I wanted to see go missing on this team, even though he is a freshman. We only have a few guys that will keep firing with confidence in the biggest moments. That's what it takes, belief. And Herb has far more of that than offensive talent. Thank goodness.
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Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:25 am to bamameister
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We only have a few guys that will keep firing with confidence in the biggest moments. That's what it takes, belief. And Herb has far more of that than offensive talent. Thank goodness.
You keep emphasizing Herb's heart, toughness, leadership, confidence, will to win, etc and yet I (and now the one additional poster who agrees with me) has never questioned that. You seem to believe that the best path to the Final 4 is for Herb to put the team on his back offensively and will his way there. I'm disagreeing and saying he can still show his leadership by continuing to play defense, rebounding, and trusting his teammates with better offensive skills to pick up those attempts from the loss of Primo. I'm ok with him shooting layups when he has the advantage, but he keeps driving to the basket as if he has point guard skills, regardless of whether he has an open lane. My guess is Nate Oats is going to recognize that Jones is playing too overconfident and reign him in a bit.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
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You made an argument in good faith without calling the kid a loser or selfish or dumb like a lot of people do and have done over the years with Alabama basketball. You have a belief, argued it with backup stats and analysis, and then discussed it.
That's what this board should be for.
Agree. Even though we are on opposite sides of the discussion, at least it is a discussion. Most just know Herb Jones is SEC player of the year and have no idea about his actual skillset. So they shut down the minute anyone would dare suggest that him leading the team in every March stat is not a good thing.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:37 am to BamaStepL
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Herb is an offensive liability and kills the rhythm of the real shooters on this team... there is absolutely no reason for him to dominate the ball the way he does regardless of being POY or Nate being COY... it's obviously hurting the shooting of guys who need to get a flow going.. it's getting worse every game.. this has seemed to make Petty to rush whenever he does get the ball. Herb should only be an option when he has a mismatch in the post...
These are great points you made.
Obviously I agree with most of this. Thanks for joining the discussion. Herb doesn't have to be an offensive liability when he stays within the correct role as he has done all season up until the last 3. The game flow is definitely off when Herb brings the ball up the floor without remembering he's a better ball distributor than shooter.
You bring up an interesting thought in that maybe Herb taking too many shots is rushing Petty to get his, but I generally disagree on that. Petty has had multiple wide open, unrushed 3 attempts that look like something you would see in an 8th grade church league they are so bad. He's in a mental funk.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:53 am to MillerLiteTime
Petty will either come out of the funk he is in or we will lose a game we could have won going away.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:55 am to Herman Frisco
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Petty will either come out of the funk he is in or we will lose a game we could have won going away.
Ice cold next 2 games but finds a way to win. Petty 8/9 vs LSU to send them home.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:57 am to MillerLiteTime
I like that Jones is taking charge as the man. He's stepped up as a leader and wants the ball in his hands in clutch situations, which takes confidence and leadership
Posted on 3/21/21 at 12:01 pm to Herman Frisco
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Petty will either come out of the funk he is in or we will lose a game we could have won going away.
Probably. Oats is doing all he can to reverse psychology him back into a shooter. He gave Petty our equivalent of the game ball after the Iona game for his "effort." I do agree he is at least playing hard unlike back during the WKU loss that got him benched. I wish we had a way to just flat out bench him again or limit his shooting while keeping him on the floor, but I don't know that Petty could handle an more limited shooting role his senior year in March.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 12:05 pm to UKat
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I like that Jones is taking charge as the man. He's stepped up as a leader and wants the ball in his hands in clutch situations, which takes confidence and leadership
It also takes offensive ball handling and shooting skills to "be the man" on offense for a team with Final 4 ambitions. This isn't Rudy. He's not going to will his way there. He doesn't have to. We have a good offensive team who doesn't need him to take charge on the offensive side.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 2:07 pm to Herman Frisco
quote:This is pretty much how it is.
Petty will either come out of the funk he is in or we will lose a game we could have won going away.
In the meantime, somebody else has got to step up and take on the missing offensive production, and only JQ is doing it now. Nobody thinks that Jones is an offensive dynamo, but how can you criticize him for trying when nobody else is getting it done?
Posted on 3/21/21 at 2:23 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Herb keeps trying to play like a point guard without the ball skills or shooting skills to effectively do so.
It feels out of necessity to get a spark when the team goes flat.
The defensive end of the court remains solid. When this team has been most effective, they have also dictated the offensive pace in transition. They force the opponent to react and stay on their heels, as they look to create space and enable high % shots driving inside or shooting outside with players in position to rebound.
At times, they seem to slow the pace and limit passing, which reduces the advantage their typical offense creates over the course of the game as teams tire out on defense. And, they take too many ill timed outside shots that don't have players in position to rebound or are simply lazy, unnecessarily hurried shots.
That said, great game against a well coached (certainly well rested and peaking) Iona squad to get the nerves and kinks out for tourney play. Maryland will be a test, but absolutely think the team is up for the challenge.
Frankly, I'm in the year 2 just glad to be here, proud of the teams accomplishments this year state of bliss.
Getting past Maryland sets up well for at least an Elite 8 showing, and potential for a tremendous game 4 Pear&Oats classic
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 3/21/21 at 4:11 pm to coachcrisp
Coach I bet Petty hits every shot he takes in practice.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 4:51 pm to Herman Frisco
quote:Probably.
Coach I bet Petty hits every shot he takes in practice.
I've said on the board several times that Petty has a fragile psyche. Somebody on the board suggested that he visit a sports psychologist, and I completely agree.
It's not said in a negative way. Many pro athletes confer with one on a regular basis. Like others, his mindset is obviously complicated.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:35 pm to MillerLiteTime
quote:Or maybe you should quit calling yourself an Alabama fan and move on
Or maybe I have higher expectations for this team
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