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Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:06 pm to RoscoeHarper
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:06 pm to RoscoeHarper
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How many black QBs were in the NFL when Holloway was around?
Wasn't he the first one in the SEC? So I'd guess there weren't any in the NFL. Just a guess.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:18 pm to South Georgia Dawg
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Second best QB in school history behind Peyton? I have a lot of respect for this young man. He ended the 15 year losing streak to Alabama that Eric Ainge started.
Vol fans what say you?
He got what he wanted i guess. He's been talked about more on this board in the last few days by uga fans than he has on all boards and all fan bases combined the last 10 years.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:29 pm to Mulkey Man
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When I look at how elite a QB is, I consider how they fared at the highest level of football. Shuler was a total bust. Clausen was a backup for one year. Holloway was a CFLer.
So you determine how good a player was in college by their NFL success? Seems illogical but whatever
And do you want to talk about LSU's esteemed list of NFL QBs? It ain't any better.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:36 pm to South Georgia Dawg
Always tough to ocmpare old season to newer especially at QB.
What were considered very good seasons for a QB in the 90s would be average ro above average seasons today.
Peyton never had a NCAA passer rating better than 147.7 in college in any season. Jayden Daniels had a 144.5 passer rating this season and that obviously doesnt include any of his rushing stuff.
What were considered very good seasons for a QB in the 90s would be average ro above average seasons today.
Peyton never had a NCAA passer rating better than 147.7 in college in any season. Jayden Daniels had a 144.5 passer rating this season and that obviously doesnt include any of his rushing stuff.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:37 pm to rebelrouser
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we are talking about taking Anthony Richardson at 9 rather than HH in the early second.
Oof.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:40 pm to S1C EM
Right??? AR sucks. He's 49% completion against top 25.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 1:09 pm to lsufball19
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And do you want to talk about LSU's esteemed list of NFL QBs? It ain't any better.
Are you even an LSU fan?
Joe Burrow
Bert Jones - NFL MVP 1976
Y.A. Tittle - Hall of Fame
Posted on 1/6/23 at 1:09 pm to VolNavy98
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Holloway and Clausen were elite. Both was game changer and elite college QB’s.
elite? Clausen was a complete head-case douche this is why Tenners will never revive the black and white TV era of 'fame' they hold so dear. There something in them thar hills that chokes your brains of objectivity
although, Its not a question with you. You've already outed yourself as a sidewalk box of rocks
Posted on 1/6/23 at 1:45 pm to Mulkey Man
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Are you even an LSU fan?
Joe Burrow
Bert Jones - NFL MVP 1976
Y.A. Tittle - Hall of Fame
And you can add David Woodley to that list. He led Miami to the Super Bowl where they lost to the Redskins in 1982. In 1983 he started out the year before being replaced by some kid named Dan Marino.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 1:46 pm to Mulkey Man
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Are you even an LSU fan?
Joe Burrow
Bert Jones - NFL MVP 1976
Y.A. Tittle - Hall of Fame
I am. So three QBs and a bunch of nothing over 80+ years of football. Not exactly at the top of any list.
I just think it's funny to besmirch the NFL success of Tennessee QBs considering LSU has a good NFL QB 9or even regular starting NFL QB), on average, once every few decades. LSU had a big fat zero number of full-season NFL starters at QB from Bert Jones to Joe Burrow, over 40 years.
Regardless, in the context of this discussion, citing how players did in the NFL is silly. Danny Wuerffel accomplished effectively nothing in the NFL, but that doesn't mean he wasn't arguably the best college QB of his era. Plenty of all-time great college QBs don't make it as pros and there are also average to above average college QBs who turn into NFL studs. But neither takes away or adds to their values and accomplishments in college which is what this is all about.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:38 pm to UGAnations
Tee is still popular
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:39 pm to deeprig9
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Wasn't he the first one in the SEC
Yes you are correct.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:42 pm to RoyalAir
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what's Hooker's pro outlook?
Game manager.
He will need to get more aggressive.
He has a lot of the tools, though.
But he is behind the 8 ball in terms of running an NFL offense.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:53 pm to theRealJesseD
Casey Clausen- 34-10 as a starter. Highest road winning % of any QB in UT history. 14-1 on the road. At the conclusion of his career, Clausen's career totals of 775 completions, 1,270 attempts, 9,577 passing yards and 75 passing touchdowns all ranked second in school history.
He may have been a dick head, head case or whatever else you say. But it still did not take away he was one of the most talented QB’s of his time in college.
Condredge Holloway- 1st black QB in SEC history. Also was an All-American Shortstop in baseball. In the College Baseball Hall Of Fame. Finished his career as Tennessee's all-time leader in total offense up till that time.
Regardless if you like UT or not, there is no denying that these two was among the best during their time.
He may have been a dick head, head case or whatever else you say. But it still did not take away he was one of the most talented QB’s of his time in college.
Condredge Holloway- 1st black QB in SEC history. Also was an All-American Shortstop in baseball. In the College Baseball Hall Of Fame. Finished his career as Tennessee's all-time leader in total offense up till that time.
Regardless if you like UT or not, there is no denying that these two was among the best during their time.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 4:58 pm to Mulkey Man
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When I look at how elite a QB is, I consider how they fared at the highest level of football.
So in your opinion Tim Tebow was not an elite quarterback in college. Interesting take.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:03 pm to lsufball19
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The 1998 Florida team wasn't nearly as good as the Florida teams Peyton played and anyone who watched both teams knows why Tee Martin didn't get as much pub as Peyton. Martin was 7/20 for 64 yards in the 1998 Florida game. Florida honestly dominated the box score in that game but lost. Martin didn't carry Tennessee to victory in really any game in that season.
I don't know why Peyton is brought into it. Our offenses didn't lose those games that PM played against UF.
Stats without context are a funny thing, especially this far away from when those games happened... You could take a box score from almost every blowout we had this season and claim that the other team actually dominated because TOP, number of plays, and several other indicators (sometimes even in yards total gained) are going to make it look like it.
As for QBs.... Hooker has got to be up there but we've had a lot of really good college QBs over the years. Holloway is finally getting the love he deserves but any list of Vol QBs without Tony Robinson and Josh Dobbs is incomplete.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:26 am to Serraneaux
quote:For a guy that claims to be a Vol fan. You don't know much. How do you leave this guy off the list?
There’s a lot to choose from…Conredge Holloway, Casey Clausen, Heath Shuler, Tee Martin (22-3 as a starter, national title, never lost to ThUGA, etc).
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:34 am to VolNavy98
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denying that these two was among the best during their time.
Why do you have such a hard time with the English language. You attempt to speak it daily, you would think eventually it would catch on.
Everytime I read a post that appears to be written by a 10 year old or a 2nd grade dropout, I look up , and it says volnavy. Everytime
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:42 am to rebelrouser
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taking Anthony Richardson at 9 rather than HH in the early second. Seems crazy to me because i think AR sucks and is a quitter.
AR’s only shot is converting to H-Back/Tight End. Which he’d probably be an All-Pro but he would probably never do it.
It’s insane to me how many GM’s take chances on these “high potential” QBs with out of this world athleticism but 0 Brain or characteristics that the best QBs have. Bc AR can fling it a mile and runs like a deer he can be a franchise QB? The kid has shite for brains and looked lost for the majority of our season — you think you’ll mold him into an NFL QB? Unreal
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:43 am to RoyalAir
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Similar vein, what's Hooker's pro outlook?
Limited at best. He’s just not mechanically sound. He tends to lose himself (bad footwork, bad mechanics, hold the ball too long, indecisive) under pressure. He will need to fill out a bit and dedicate himself fixing himself to be more than a flash in the pan. Heupel was able to win with him and someone will take a chance with him based on his size (6’4) and arm, but I just don’t see it.
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