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re: Heisman talk - Fournette, Henry, Cook
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:22 am to RB10
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:22 am to RB10
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Henry had a few pedestrian games himself. I love how some Bama fans acting like he didn't.
He did. While Fournette was lighting up Syracuse and Eastern Michigan and Western Kentucky for a large percentage of his yards, Henry was taking it easy and resting against the creampuffs on Alabama's schedule.
Tell me how each did in the games that mattered (IE conference games).
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:22 am to TheOcean
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Cook is the best player in CFB. If he had a half way decent QB we'd be #1 right now.
QB argument doesn't work with this field. Harris at LSU has become quite bad, and Coker at Bama has been pretty average all season. Neither Fournette nor Henry had QBs that could take much pressure off them.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
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In the arc of the season it most certainly was, at worst, the 3rd biggest game of the season.
In the arc of the season? wtf is that even supposed to mean. The only reason that game was significant for LSU was they lost the game. It was no more important than any other divisional game. I guess it technically knocked LSU out of any possible contention for the West, but I mean LSU was screwed the minute they lost to Alabama, and the players played like it.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:22 am to Nissanmaxima
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Henry against Arkansas 27/95/1 TD
Yep, was his worst game of the year.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:23 am to TheOcean
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Cook balled in the 3rd quarter.
he had 33 yards rushing on 13 carries until the 4th quarter Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
I will bow out after this.
Fournette is a great player. He had a great season. He will probably have an even better season next year, and he will probably be a rare 1st round pick in the NFL draft. However, my personal opinion is that Henry's stats against the better teams on our schedule compared to Fournette's against the better teams on LSU's schedule is the tiebreaker between the two.
I hope Fournette goes to NYC. He seems like an awesome dude and had an awesome year. I don't think, because of the way the process works, that he will, but I hope he does.
Fournette is a great player. He had a great season. He will probably have an even better season next year, and he will probably be a rare 1st round pick in the NFL draft. However, my personal opinion is that Henry's stats against the better teams on our schedule compared to Fournette's against the better teams on LSU's schedule is the tiebreaker between the two.
I hope Fournette goes to NYC. He seems like an awesome dude and had an awesome year. I don't think, because of the way the process works, that he will, but I hope he does.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:28 am to lsufball19
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In the arc of the season? wtf is that even supposed to mean. The only reason that game was significant for LSU was they lost the game. It was no more important than any other divisional game. I guess it technically knocked LSU out of any possible contention for the West, but I mean LSU was screwed the minute they lost to Alabama, and the players played like it.
I actually have no idea what the argument here is, but I'd certainly consider Arkansas significant because it would have been a righting of the ship the week after LSU lost its first game of the season, an almost necessary win to stay in title contention -- national as well as SEC -- and, well, a game y'all lost last year. It was a big game for LSU. I'm not sure why anyone would say otherwise.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:29 am to randomways
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almost necessary win to stay in title contention -- national as well as SEC -- and, well, a game y'all lost last year. It was a big game for LSU. I'm not sure why anyone would say otherwise.
That was my point, not to mention after last years collapse point-Bama starting with Arkansas, etc.
Either way, it isn't a huge deal in the overall discussion.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:31 am to Nissanmaxima
How about we do this. Let's compare total yards if we going to be fair(which we all know we won't), because don't total yards count?
Henry
295/1797/22 TD
10/97/0 TD
Total = 1894 22 TD
Fournette
273/1752/18 TD
18/209/0 TD
Total = 1961 18 TD
Henry has one game left meaning he will have played 2 more games then Fournette. Look all I am getting at is that they are both great backs, period! Yes, Henry deserves the Heisman for the season he has had! I am out as well George
Henry
295/1797/22 TD
10/97/0 TD
Total = 1894 22 TD
Fournette
273/1752/18 TD
18/209/0 TD
Total = 1961 18 TD
Henry has one game left meaning he will have played 2 more games then Fournette. Look all I am getting at is that they are both great backs, period! Yes, Henry deserves the Heisman for the season he has had! I am out as well George
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:33 am to Nissanmaxima
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Look all I am getting at is that they are both great backs, period!
No one has said they aren't.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:36 am to pvilleguru
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No one has said they aren't.
When you start bashing Fournette and saying he padded all his stats against poor competition, yeah you kinda are!
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:38 am to Nissanmaxima
He did pad his stats again poor teams, but that doesn't make him a bad RB.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:43 am to Pinche Cabron
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I think Cook will be a great pro qb
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
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SummerOfGeorge
Heisman talk - Fournette, Henry, Cook
by SummerOfGeorge
quote:Buga projects to 1894 yds with equal carries...
Yea, if those carries were only distributed to games against Eastern Michigan and Syracuse.
'Yea", because Fournette didn't do shite vs Miss.State, Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, Syracuse, A&M, or Ole Miss I guess.......
And he didn't even play in the 4th quarter of some of those games. Had he been able to 'pad his stats' with umpteen million carries like Saban gave Henry, he'd have even more ridiculous numbers.
But he was never given the ball even CLOSE to 46 times in one game. FORTY-SIX.
But let's not pad his stats, noooooooooo. Let's not do that.....
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:55 am to MetryTyger
LSU doesn't even have a winning record without LF7 and liky would lose to Cuse.
Is this even a debate?
The team matters. I don't k ow of any backs this year that can get hit before the LOS 16 of 19 runs and be worth a famn all game.
People keep pointing to the Bama game as if it was LF7 all by himself. LSUs Oline got Absolutly abused. No question. Bama safties were making tackles at the LOS.
Henry is damn good, but don't get it twisted.
Is this even a debate?
The team matters. I don't k ow of any backs this year that can get hit before the LOS 16 of 19 runs and be worth a famn all game.
People keep pointing to the Bama game as if it was LF7 all by himself. LSUs Oline got Absolutly abused. No question. Bama safties were making tackles at the LOS.
Henry is damn good, but don't get it twisted.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:59 am to MetryTyger
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Had he been able to 'pad his stats' with umpteen million carries like Saban gave Henry,
I don't think you know what this means.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:16 am to ForeverLSU02
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Of course, Henry will win it b/c of Bama
Yeah, because Bama has such a rich history of Heisman winners...
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:27 am to GetmorewithLes
First, it's pretty incredible that so many red team fans -a team that has consistently, over many, many years, dominated its opponents, achieved many championships, and produced a plethora of hall of fame players (college and professional)- are so damned insecure (insatiable?) that they need the additional validation of having that tightend/linebacker with goofy hair and holes big enough to drive hovercrafts through win the Heisman. Go figure.
Henry has had a sensational season. Heisman-worthy? Yes. The fact that he plays for the red team in the SEC weighs heavily.
Fournette is a special talent: it's just stupid to argue that he would not be at least even with Henry given one more regular season game. Regular season performance should be the standard, IMO. Adding conference championships and bowl/playoff games should not factor, if one doesn't understand why, one needs to get smarter. Is he Heisman-worthy? Unfortunately for us LSU fans, I think not. Because even though in many November games his line was dominated and more often than not almost the entire defense keyed on just him, he needed to prove that he could rise above even that type of obstacle. That said, he does deserve an invite.
McCaffrey is a tremendous player. Anyone who has been around the block more than once, understands and loves college football knows this. Is he Heisman-worthy? I think so but playing in the Pacific Time Zone works against him. As I've said before, if there were justice he would get the award based on his multi-varied accomplishments.
Watson is great and is leading the #1 team. Personally, I am not sold on the ACC strength/weakness. If Clemson runs the table that would prove me wrong but IMO this is a regular season award, sorry. Heisman-worthy? No IMO.
Cook? Same argument regarding ACC strength/weakness as Watson. Also, has about the same stats as LF (injury gives him the same number of games as LF, I believe) so if you can't give it to LF... Heisman-worthy? No IMO.
Mayfield? He is a great, great leader with stats that are very similar to Watson's. He is surrounded by a whole bunch of great/good performers. Heisman-worthy? No IMO.
Finally, Keenan Reynolds should get at least a little love because, 'Merica!
Henry has had a sensational season. Heisman-worthy? Yes. The fact that he plays for the red team in the SEC weighs heavily.
Fournette is a special talent: it's just stupid to argue that he would not be at least even with Henry given one more regular season game. Regular season performance should be the standard, IMO. Adding conference championships and bowl/playoff games should not factor, if one doesn't understand why, one needs to get smarter. Is he Heisman-worthy? Unfortunately for us LSU fans, I think not. Because even though in many November games his line was dominated and more often than not almost the entire defense keyed on just him, he needed to prove that he could rise above even that type of obstacle. That said, he does deserve an invite.
McCaffrey is a tremendous player. Anyone who has been around the block more than once, understands and loves college football knows this. Is he Heisman-worthy? I think so but playing in the Pacific Time Zone works against him. As I've said before, if there were justice he would get the award based on his multi-varied accomplishments.
Watson is great and is leading the #1 team. Personally, I am not sold on the ACC strength/weakness. If Clemson runs the table that would prove me wrong but IMO this is a regular season award, sorry. Heisman-worthy? No IMO.
Cook? Same argument regarding ACC strength/weakness as Watson. Also, has about the same stats as LF (injury gives him the same number of games as LF, I believe) so if you can't give it to LF... Heisman-worthy? No IMO.
Mayfield? He is a great, great leader with stats that are very similar to Watson's. He is surrounded by a whole bunch of great/good performers. Heisman-worthy? No IMO.
Finally, Keenan Reynolds should get at least a little love because, 'Merica!
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:31 am to MetryTyger
So you think Les would have put Fournette on the bench with a 9-point lead in a rivalry game trying to ice the game?
STFU with this stat-padding garbage from the AU game. He got that many carries so that we would secure the win. The end.
STFU with this stat-padding garbage from the AU game. He got that many carries so that we would secure the win. The end.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:32 am to Knight of Old
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First, it's pretty incredible that so many red team fans -a team that has consistently, over many, many years, dominated its opponents, achieved many championships, and produced a plethora of hall of fame players (college and professional)- are so damned insecure (insatiable?) that they need the additional validation of having that tightend/linebacker with goofy hair and holes big enough to drive hovercrafts through win the Heisman. Go figure.
What the frick, man? They're trying to talk up a Heisman candidate on their own team and that makes them insecure? I'd normally let this pass without comment but LSU fans have talked vociferously and nonstop about Fournette since the recruiting days. Don't be a whiny bitch.
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