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re: Has the Committee ever declared what the specific criteria is for making the playoff?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:22 pm to CBandits82
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:22 pm to CBandits82
In addition to reviewing the published Protocol, you should recognize there are four rules that seem to be unequivocal based on the committee's decisions the first 5 years:
1. Don't have two losses.
-No two loss team has ever gotten in and the only time a P5 non-conference champ has gotten in over a P5 conference champ is when they P5 conference champ had two losses
2. Don't get beat down by an average or below average team.
-See, for example, Ohio State 2018: 12-1 Big 10 Champ Ohio State being placed below Oklahoma and even 2 -loss non-champ Georgia (who was 5th and also didn't make the playoff - see unequivocal rule 1 above) because they got their arse kicked 49-21 by Purdue.
3. Don't play in a non-Power 5 conference unless you are ND
-There has never been a non-power 5 team other than ND in the playoff.
4. Be Alabama
-There has never been a playoff without Alabama in it.
1. Don't have two losses.
-No two loss team has ever gotten in and the only time a P5 non-conference champ has gotten in over a P5 conference champ is when they P5 conference champ had two losses
2. Don't get beat down by an average or below average team.
-See, for example, Ohio State 2018: 12-1 Big 10 Champ Ohio State being placed below Oklahoma and even 2 -loss non-champ Georgia (who was 5th and also didn't make the playoff - see unequivocal rule 1 above) because they got their arse kicked 49-21 by Purdue.
3. Don't play in a non-Power 5 conference unless you are ND
-There has never been a non-power 5 team other than ND in the playoff.
4. Be Alabama
-There has never been a playoff without Alabama in it.
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:23 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
It's hard to decide the best team without some comparable opponents.
Injuries, flukes, weather, random no shows all contribute to the record, but without quality wins you can't be sure about a team's quality. That's why Alabama has an uphill climb.
Injuries, flukes, weather, random no shows all contribute to the record, but without quality wins you can't be sure about a team's quality. That's why Alabama has an uphill climb.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:28 pm to chillmonster
quote:They r going off previous years. Without it a 1 loss team with Bama's resume would be about 8 or 9.
Injuries, flukes, weather, random no shows all contribute to the record, but without quality wins you can't be sure about a team's quality. That's why Alabama has an uphill climb.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:41 pm to CBandits82
"Best 4" is far too subjective and gives way too much favor to the blue bloods.
A good example will be when Minnesota isn't in the top 4 tonight. They apparently thought Penn St. was one of the best 4 with whatever resume they had, yet watch an undefeated team in the same conference who just beat them not be in it.
Certain teams will always be given the benefit of the doubt with a human committee, and that's the weakness of the current system.
A good example will be when Minnesota isn't in the top 4 tonight. They apparently thought Penn St. was one of the best 4 with whatever resume they had, yet watch an undefeated team in the same conference who just beat them not be in it.
Certain teams will always be given the benefit of the doubt with a human committee, and that's the weakness of the current system.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 3:36 pm to rintintin
I heard on a show this morning 3 commentators trying to apply the CFB methodology to picking the 4 playoff entrants in the NFL.
They all had different teams and could come up with a logical argument for all 4.
I haven't been a proponent of expanding the playoff until this year, but I believe it'll have to be done. This thing is just too subjective, and in a year where the top teams are really competitive we see why the subjective influence of voters should be minimized.
They all had different teams and could come up with a logical argument for all 4.
I haven't been a proponent of expanding the playoff until this year, but I believe it'll have to be done. This thing is just too subjective, and in a year where the top teams are really competitive we see why the subjective influence of voters should be minimized.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:03 pm to elposter
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1. Don't have two losses.
-No two loss team has ever gotten in and the only time a P5 non-conference champ has gotten in over a P5 conference champ is when they P5 conference champ had two losses
You could easily make the argument that, had Auburn beaten Georgia in the 2017 SEC Championship game, the top 4 in the playoff poll would have looked like this: 1. Clemson 12-1, 2. Oklahoma 12-1, 3. Auburn 11-2, 4. Ohio State 11-2.
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2. Don't get beat down by an average or below average team.
-See, for example, Ohio State 2018: 12-1 Big 10 Champ Ohio State being placed below Oklahoma and even 2 -loss non-champ Georgia (who was 5th and also didn't make the playoff - see unequivocal rule 1 above) because they got their arse kicked 49-21 by Purdue.
The counter to this argument is 2014 Ohio State. In week 2 of the season, they lost by 2 touchdowns to a 6-6 Virginia Tech team at home.
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3. Don't play in a non-Power 5 conference unless you are ND
-There has never been a non-power 5 team other than ND in the playoff.
Here were the Group of 5 schools with 1 or fewer losses ranked in the Final CFP poll:
2015: #18 Houston (12-1) - Lost to a horrific UConn team and played 1 Power 5 opponent.
2016: #15 Western Michigan (13-0) - played 1 Power 5 opponent
2017: #12 UCF (12-0) - played 1 Power 5 opponent, but scheduled 2.
2018: #8 UCF (12-0) - scheduled 1 Power 5 opponent, but the game was cancelled
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:08 pm to rintintin
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A good example will be when Minnesota isn't in the top 4 tonight. They apparently thought Penn St. was one of the best 4 with whatever resume they had, yet watch an undefeated team in the same conference who just beat them not be in it.
Last year OSU beat the #4 team by 20+ points in the last week of the regular season and didn't move up that high.
It's not as cut and dry as people make it out to be.
Auburn was in with 2 losses a couple years ago if they beat UGA in the SECCG.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:13 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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You could easily make the argument that, had Auburn beaten Georgia in the 2017 SEC Championship game, the top 4 in the playoff poll would have looked like this: 1. Clemson 12-1, 2. Oklahoma 12-1, 3. Auburn 11-2, 4. Ohio State 11-2.
So like I said no 2 loss team has made it.
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The counter to this argument is 2014 Ohio State. In week 2 of the season, they lost by 2 touchdowns to a 6-6 Virginia Tech team at home.
I said beat down. You have a chance to get away with a game like VT-OSU. Game was tied in the 4th, VT had pick six in the last minute to put it away as OSU was driving to try and tie.
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Here were the Group of 5 schools with 1 or fewer losses ranked in the Final CFP poll:
2015: #18 Houston (12-1) - Lost to a horrific UConn team and played 1 Power 5 opponent.
2016: #15 Western Michigan (13-0) - played 1 Power 5 opponent
2017: #12 UCF (12-0) - played 1 Power 5 opponent, but scheduled 2.
2018: #8 UCF (12-0) - scheduled 1 Power 5 opponent, but the game was cancelled
Right, they really haven't been close because like I said they are not in the Power 5.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:15 pm to CBandits82
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Has the Committee ever declared what the specific criteria is for making the playoff?
depends on what week. The criteria changes from year to year and week to week. Having a small committee pick the teams was a terrible idea IMO. I think they should have kept the BCS formula and just added two more teams to create a playoff. Not sure why they thought a smaller pool of voters was somehow a better option
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:17 pm to CBandits82
It's the best 4 teams.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:18 pm to lsufball19
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depends on what week. The criteria changes from year to year and week to week. Having a small committee pick the teams was a terrible idea IMO. I think they should have kept the BCS formula and just added two more teams to create a playoff. Not sure why they thought a smaller pool of voters was somehow a better option
I like and wanted the BCS formula, even though I think the computers used previously are trash.
But thus far the playoff committee has gotten it right. So it's hard to complain.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:22 pm to 3down10
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But thus far the playoff committee has gotten it right.
The only year I think the BCS got it wrong was 2001, yet we felt the need to change it as well
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:27 pm to lsufball19
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The only year I think the BCS got it wrong was 2001, yet we felt the need to change it as well
2003 as well.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 5:17 pm to lsufball19
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The only year I think the BCS got it wrong was 2001, yet we felt the need to change it as well
Well it's not so much the BCS got anything wrong, it's just wasn't a format that could handle the once in a decade circumstances like 2011, 2004(maybe 2003).
4th place team has really never deserved to be in the playoffs, even as it has more NC wins than 1st place.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 5:24 pm to CBandits82
The criteria consists of Alabama or Notre Dame and three other teams no matter what.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 5:27 pm to CBandits82
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is this "best 4" or "most deserving"?
Massive difference between the statements.
Depends on what year it is
Posted on 11/12/19 at 5:31 pm to CBandits82
Conference Championships are obviously not part of it. Except for Ohio St. then it counts.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 5:43 pm to CBandits82
Best 4,plus marketability. That’s why Bama has backed in a few times. Despite their record or schedule they were always better than the other schools on the fringe
Posted on 11/12/19 at 5:44 pm to lsupride87
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Nobody knows
Hell look at the Ap and coaches polls
When Florida lost to LSU, they “fell” to 10 in the rankings
And they had a win over a ranked program in auburn and actually led against LSU on the road
Alabama loses to LSU, has no ranked wins, trailed the entire game, and goes to 4
Alabama is a clearly a better team than us though.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 5:45 pm to 3down10
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Well it's not so much the BCS got anything wrong, it's just wasn't a format that could handle the once in a decade circumstances like 2011, 2004(maybe 2003).
4th place team has really never deserved to be in the playoffs, even as it has more NC wins than 1st place.
BCS was fine. Slive proposed a 4 team version back in 08 and no one else supported him so we got stuck with this crap now instead.
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