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re: Has the CFP made it easier or harder to win a national championship?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:46 pm to ZeusStamos
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:46 pm to ZeusStamos
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Yes, last year and in 2011. You find a way to backdoor in regardless of the system. If you don't even win your division, you don't deserve to be the National Champions. You basically got a bye week to get healthy while everyone else was playing. You were rewarded for losing. The system should never reward a team for losing. Then your head coach went on ESPN and lobbied his arse off. Should have been OSU.
That's what I was looking for! Read the NCAA Playoff Selection Committee mission statement below:
"Ranking football teams is an art, not a science. Football is popular in some measure because the outcome
of a game between reasonably matched teams is so often decided by emotional commitment,
momentum, injuries and the “unexpected bounce of the ball.” In any ranking system, perfection or
consensus is not possible and the physical impact of the game on student athletes prevents elaborate
playoff systems of multiple games. For purposes of any four team playoff, the process will inevitably need
to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate."
Now if you can't admit that Alabama was one of the "four best teams" in the country, then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought..and that'd be really hard for you to do.
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:47 pm to coachcrisp
It's sad that Georgia got rewarded a 2nd chance against Auburn after losing the 1st one. Teams should never get rewarded simply because of "divisional rules" when they already lost to the opponent they are playing again. Both teams finished with 1 SEC loss and Auburn already beat Georgia and beaten them handily. Auburn's reward? Go play Georgia in their home state. How unfair to the Tigers.
The system should never reward a team that loses that way.
The system should never reward a team that loses that way.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:49 pm to mbogo
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None are "mythical" since there was a format to win a NC and you either met it or you didn't.
Do you think you really played the second best team in the country when you smashed Notre Dame in 2012-13? Using the old BCS system, the NC this year would have been Clemson vs. Georgia (Georgia, not Oklahoma, would have been ranked #2 in the BCS rankings). Alabama would have never gotten a shot. Now I will also admit that Ohio St may have been the best team in the country last year, which pokes holes in my argument, but naming a national champion when four teams play a playoff is much more legitimate than when two teams play.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:51 pm to ZeusStamos
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Do you think you really played the second best team in the country when you smashed Notre Dame in 2012-13?
No, I think we beat them in Atlanta in early December or lost to them in November. Think it was one of those two in all likelihood.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:51 pm to ZeusStamos
Both. Better chance of getting a chance but have to win an extra game vs an elite team.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
We were playing championship weekend and you weren't. We redeemed ourselves on the field. Sure, sometimes the divisions create opportunities that otherwise would not be there, but playing your way in is much more honorable than having your coach go on national tv and lobby.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:54 pm to ZeusStamos
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We were playing championship weekend and you weren't. We redeemed ourselves on the field. Sure, sometimes the divisions create opportunities that otherwise would not be there, but playing your way in is much more honorable than having your coach go on national tv and lobby.
Oh, I see, so when the system in place says its ok then its ok, even when in reality it is clearly not fair. And you seem to be ok with the fact that you got that opportunity and ran with it, taking full advantage.
Interesting.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:57 pm to ZeusStamos
Easier. All UCF had to do is beat 12 schools of SEC walkons, beat Auburn, and then bitch a lot and BOOM.
National champions
National champions
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
What if Oregon was the best team in 2012? We will never know.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:59 pm to ZeusStamos
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What if Oregon was the best team in 2012? We will never know.
Yea, agree. I like the playoff.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:00 pm to ZeusStamos
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What if Oregon was the best team in 2012? We will never know.
Maybe Bama was the best team in 2013
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:03 pm to ZeusStamos
Harder.
BTW, Alabama won their division.
BTW, Alabama won their division.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:08 pm to WG_Dawg
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6 polls declared us the winners that year, which was a concensus. We went 11-1 and won the rose bowl. OSU was selected by the AP after going 9-1 and not playing in a bowl.
Meanwhile bama in 1941 finished 20th.
I think ours has a little more merit.
There were only 2 polls at the time - the AP (Ohio State) and the Helms Athletic Foundation (Wisconsin).
Y'all didn't start claiming 1942 until sometime in the 80s.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:10 pm to ZeusStamos
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Not really. With a four team playoff it is technically possible for two teams that did not win their conference to get in. It's also possible that two teams with two losses could get in. It is much less likely that we would have 5 undefeated conference champs, leaving one of those teams out.
Your question wasn't about probabilities of hypotheticals. And you haven't proven your claim is even right. I listed the four teams and how close they came to being perfect. The possibility that they could have entered the post-season all undefeated isn't even slightly remote. I'd argue the idea that out of the 5 power conferences, only two teams had fewer than two losses is much more remote.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:12 pm to ZeusStamos
It's a push. Same # of teams playing but only 1 can end up #1 (sorry UCF).
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:12 pm to ZeusStamos
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While the rest of us were winning conference championships y'all were sipping lemonade. And you get into the playoff just like the rest of us. It's time for y'all to check your Bama privilege.
And yet another team who didn't play in their CCG made the playoff BEFORE Alabama. Funny how you aren't crying about them though. We all know exactly why.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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by definition it's easier bc there's more room for error
^^^This^^^.
Two loss Auburn was one win away from the CFP. The lone game Bama lost excluded them from the SECG by rule even though they tied for their division. Now that the season is over, Bama lost to a team with four losses. That's pretty twisted.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:21 pm to DawgsLife
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's been almost 20 years since you've won the SEC. Not the National Championship. The SEC. Think about that.
And before that it was like 45+ years.Always amazed at UT and AU posters who act like they have Bama and USC standards when it comes to NC's.
UT won't sniff a SECC much less a natty anytime in the near future NO MATTER how many coaches the peddle out.SC will have one before IT.
Do any UT fans even realize what a complete clusterfrick Phat Phil is going to be for your FB program?
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:24 pm to ZeusStamos
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It wasn't exactly a dominate performance by the Tide.
Because we started Hurts and spotted you 2 quarters in the game and you still lost to a bunch of True Freshmen. That isn’t Alabama’s fault. That is Georgia’s fault for being so inept and lost in the second half you gave up 26 points to a guy that didn’t even play most of the season except in garbage time. We start The Phenom Tua and that game isn’t close and there is no overtime. Consider yourself lucky it even got to that point.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:25 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Has Alabama ever gotten into a title game with two losses?
Just the '41 championship game
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