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re: Has the CFP made it easier or harder to win a national championship?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:A LOT of shite has been created in the last decade to slow down Saban/Bama football.
They literally created this new system because they were so angry about us and all we've done is dominate it too.
Create whatever you want. 2, 8, 64. Whatever. We'll be better than everyone else at that too.
Whiners wanted to limit the HC's contact and interaction with HS recruits so we have the "Saban Rule."
Whiners were pissed and said Saban oversigned so now we have the 25/yr rule, which I think is ridiculous, why limit the # of kids that can get a free education?
Whiners were pissed in the '11 Bama/LSU BSCNC match-up, now we have the CFP, where Bama has made an appearance every damn year.
They can create any system they want - it is what it is. RTR
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:10 pm to ZeusStamos
quote:Please tell me which year of the playoffs Alabama shouldn't have been involved....and I HOPE you say last year when they WON it all by beating 2 of the other 3 teams in it besides them.
Ultimately, my opinion is that the CFP makes it harder for every team not named Bama because you actually determine who the best team is on the field. It's not a "mythical" national championship.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:13 pm to ZeusStamos
Granted, there are two extra spots, but the "need a near perfect season to get there" doesn't work as an argument for easier because you still need a near perfect season to get there. OU lost by 1 TD to (admittedly mediocre) ISU. Bama lost by 12 to (not mediocre) Auburn. Clemson lost by 3 to (terrible) Cuse. Now, admittedly UGA doesn't help my point here, but they still had only one loss and avenged it later. The CFP has yet to give us an undeserving contender. It likely will at some point, but it's still doing pretty well.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:16 pm to coachcrisp
Yes, last year and in 2011. You find a way to backdoor in regardless of the system. If you don't even win your division, you don't deserve to be the National Champions. You basically got a bye week to get healthy while everyone else was playing. You were rewarded for losing. The system should never reward a team for losing. Then your head coach went on ESPN and lobbied his arse off. Should have been OSU.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:19 pm to randomways
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"need a near perfect season to get there" doesn't work as an argument for easier because you still need a near perfect season to get there
Auburn literally had a perfect season in '04 and didn't even play for the game.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:24 pm to ZeusStamos
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Yes, last year and in 2011.
Well there wasn't a playoff in 2011, so that doesn't fit the criteria.
Considering we are the #1 or #2 team at the end of the regular season the majority of years, in general the playoff clearly makes it harder on us. Last year it worked out for us, but in 2014 it cost us a title.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:24 pm to ZeusStamos
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Auburn literally had a perfect season in '04 and didn't even play for the game.
And? We could have had 5 undefeated teams this season and one would have been left out in the cold. It still doesn't work as an argument. The proper counterargument would be pointing out a team that made the CFP without a near-perfect season. Go for it.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:27 pm to ZeusStamos
The objective is to get the best teams in and Bama was the best team in the country last year. Sounds like the Committee got it right. If UGA hadn’t let a true freshman come in at half and hang 26 points on you we aren’t having this conversation
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:28 pm to randomways
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And? We could have had 5 undefeated teams this season and one would have been left out in the cold. It still doesn't work as an argument. The proper counterargument would be pointing out a team that made the CFP without a near-perfect season. Go for it.
Auburn would have gotten in with two losses if they had beaten us in the SEC Championship game. Furthermore, I would argue that if Auburn did not lose to LSU, they could have lost to us in the SEC Championship game and still gotten in with two losses and without winning the SEC Championship. If not, the committee would literally be punishing Auburn for winning the SEC West.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:30 pm to ZeusStamos
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Auburn would have gotten in with two losses if they had beaten us in the SEC Championship game. Furthermore, I would argue that if Auburn did not lose to LSU, they could have lost to us in the SEC Championship game and still gotten in with two losses and without winning the SEC Championship. If not, the committee would literally be punishing Auburn for winning the SEC West.
Okay, for future reference, if your argument requires two or more uses of "if" or its equivalent, you badly need to rework it.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:31 pm to 14&Counting
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If UGA hadn’t let a true freshman come in at half and hang 26 points on you we aren’t having this conversation
If Alabama didn't get rewarded for losing with a bye week, we probably would have won. The game went into OT. It wasn't exactly a dominate performance by the Tide.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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it is objectively true actually
more opportunity to win it = easier to win it
it's only harder for teams who, under the old system, would have had to only play 1 game instead of 2.
So it's easier to win March Madness than the 4 team playoff?
I understand that to win you have to be in, so having more teams in means a better chance, but that doesn't make it easier. The more rounds to a playoff the more good teams you are playing, so the more opportunities for good teams to lose
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:32 pm to ZeusStamos
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If Alabama didn't get rewarded for losing with a bye week, we probably would have won
And if we hadn't had to play #4 seed Ohio State in 2014 and only had to play FSU/Oregon in a title game then we probably win that year.
Playoff giveth, playoff taketh away.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:34 pm to randomways
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Okay, for future reference, if your argument requires two or more uses of "if" or its equivalent, you badly need to rework it.
Not really. With a four team playoff it is technically possible for two teams that did not win their conference to get in. It's also possible that two teams with two losses could get in. It is much less likely that we would have 5 undefeated conference champs, leaving one of those teams out.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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And if we hadn't had to play #4 seed Ohio State in 2014 and only had to play FSU/Oregon in a title game then we probably win that year.
Playoff giveth, playoff taketh away.
The system should never reward a team for losing. Period.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:41 pm to ZeusStamos
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The system should never reward a team for losing. Period.
Agree - UCF is the only team that deserved a title due to having no losses. Alabama and Georgia were rewarded for their losses being "good losses" while UCF was screwed. Georgia even got given a 2nd chance to fix what they screwed up the 1st time.
Sad.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama and Georgia were rewarded for their losses being "good losses"
Georgia was rewarded for their loss because they went 12-1 and won the SEC.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree - UCF is the only team that deserved a title due to having no losses. Alabama and Georgia were rewarded for their losses being "good losses" while UCF was screwed.
While the rest of us were winning conference championships y'all were sipping lemonade. And you get into the playoff just like the rest of us. It's time for y'all to check your Bama privilege.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:45 pm to ZeusStamos
None are "mythical" since there was a format to win a NC and you either met it or you didn't.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:45 pm to DawgRff
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Georgia was rewarded for their loss because they went 12-1 and won the SEC.
Georgia was rewarded for playing in the Eastern Division of the SEC. They lost the exact same regular season game Alabama did to the exact same team in the exact same venue by about 20 more points than Alabama had.
They had the exact same regular season overall and conference record with the exact same loss at the exact same place. They just got a 2nd shot at Auburn at a neutral site because of the divisional alignment.
So, congrats to Georgia for earning their placement in a separate division than Auburn.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 3:47 pm
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