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re: Has LSU passed Tennessee in terms of Tradition.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 5:20 am to starkvingrad
Posted on 7/8/21 at 5:20 am to starkvingrad
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The Fulmer Cup
Sir, LSU wasn’t even in the Top 10 finishers of Fulmer Cup standings in 2019. I would encourage you to research the topic before simply posting lies.
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 7:15 am to geauxbrown
I think Nebraska is unique to itself because the AD literally changed their football identity.
As far as Michigan and Tennessee it will boil down to a positive marriage between an adequate AD and head football coach.
Tennessee's recruiting challenges have always been and will always be there. There's no reason why Tennessee can't compete in the East.
Hell, Dave Hart and Butch Jones had some success.
As far as Michigan and Tennessee it will boil down to a positive marriage between an adequate AD and head football coach.
Tennessee's recruiting challenges have always been and will always be there. There's no reason why Tennessee can't compete in the East.
Hell, Dave Hart and Butch Jones had some success.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:18 am to bayou85
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What did Nebraska do to you?
Nebraska hasn't done anything to anyone in twenty years. Like Tennessee they are land locked in the middle of North America and local high school football is not very good.
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 9:21 am
Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:42 am to geauxbrown
Sexual assualt abounds at Lawsuit and Scandal University
Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:47 am to macjonesgoat
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Tennessee will come back as soon as their boomer AD finally dies off.
That is not how sports work. If it was, Pitt, Minnesota, Nebraska, and many other programs would be power houses.
Also, I swear Tennessee did not claim 6 titles years ago. I remember much less.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:50 am to Old Money
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Also, I swear Tennessee did not claim 6 titles years ago. I remember much less.
They only claimed 1951 and 1998 for the longest time, then, out of nowhere, had 4 additional claims. IMO, if you don’t have a #1 ranking in the AP, UPI, Coaches, BCS, or CFP then your claim is bullshite
The retro-active claiming of national titles is pathetic
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:57 am to lsufball19
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The retro-active claiming of national titles is pathetic
You can thank Alabama. They started the trend LINK
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:00 am to lsufball19
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They only claimed 1951 and 1998 for the longest time, then, out of nowhere, had 4 additional claims. IMO, if you don’t have a #1 ranking in the AP, UPI, Coaches, BCS, or CFP then your claim is bullshite
The retro-active claiming of national titles is pathetic
Right, I knew something was off. When we played them at Neyland stadium like 5-6 years ago I noticed the 6 titles and was so confused.
I couldn’t remember if it was 2 or 4. 2 to 6 titles is such a ridiculously large jump
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:08 am to GeorgeReymond
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You can thank Alabama. They started the trend
Princeton and Yale both claim like 27 retroactive titles.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:14 am to lsufball19
So who is champion before 1936?
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:16 am to lsufball19
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They only claimed 1951 and 1998 for the longest time, then, out of nowhere, had 4 additional claims. IMO, if you don’t have a #1 ranking in the AP, UPI, Coaches, BCS, or CFP then your claim is bull shite
The retro-active claiming of national titles is pathetic
SDS did Podcast episode about this last summer. TN had an AD that claimed a Natty for no reason other than to add more prestige. He wasn't shy about that either.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:16 am to NorthshoreTiger76
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Princeton and Yale both claim like 27 retroactive titles.
Little different. Theirs are all pre poll era. I don’t think they’re retroactive claims either. They’ve always claimed a ton in the early years of the sport. Every one of Tennessee’s 4 additional claims are after the start of the poll era (1936). A lot of programs have started making these claims now, decades after the seasons happened. I don’t understand how you can go decades without a claim and then all the sudden say you do. Is adding an extra banner to your stadium that important? Do ADs think recruits care about 60+ year old titles? It’s ridiculous
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:23 am to TheFourHorsemen
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So who is champion before 1936?
That isn’t applicable to any of the titles Tennessee or Ole Miss claims. I think it also matters whether the school claimed those pre poll era titles at the time they happened and not years later or because some computer algorithm determined they were #1 that didn’t even exist when the season was actually played. There were still several accepted major selectors in the pre poll era, but that’s not what we’re discussing here. We’re discussing schools not claiming titles for decades and decades then all the sudden claiming a title(s). I’ll at least give Ole Miss credit there. Despite their title claims being dubious to some, they’ve always at least claimed 3
Posted on 7/8/21 at 11:58 am to TheFourHorsemen
I don't think its particularly close. By my metric that I post each year following the end of a season, here's where the SEC programs rank in terms of Program Strength (goes back to 1936 but gives bonus points for accomplishments that are more recent):
1. Alabama- 1,271
2. Ohio State- 979
3. Oklahoma- 970
4. Notre Dame- 844
5. USC- 787
6. Michigan- 712
7. Nebraska- 681
8. LSU- 657
9. Texas- 644
10. Florida St.- 585
11. Miami- 582
12. Florida- 581
13. Penn St.- 553
14. Georgia- 503
15. Clemson- 502
16. Tennessee- 499
17. Auburn- 487
18. Michigan St.- 347
19. UCLA- 336
20. Texas A&M- 303
21. Washington- 295
22. Wisconsin- 286
23. Arkansas- 267
24. Oregon- 254
25. TCU- 246
LSU is now solidly #2 in the league. Tennessee will likely fall behind Auburn within the next few years assuming Harsin doesn't tank AU's program.
Here is where Tennessee ranked nationally at the conclusion of each decade, going back to the 1950s:
1959- #6 (top SEC program)
1969- #10 (#2 in SEC)
1979- #9 (#2 in SEC)
1989- #13 (#2 in SEC)
1999- #10 (#2 in SEC)
2009- #12 (#3 in SEC)
2019- #14 (#4 in SEC)
And now after 2020, they've fallen to #16 and fifth in the SEC.
1. Alabama- 1,271
2. Ohio State- 979
3. Oklahoma- 970
4. Notre Dame- 844
5. USC- 787
6. Michigan- 712
7. Nebraska- 681
8. LSU- 657
9. Texas- 644
10. Florida St.- 585
11. Miami- 582
12. Florida- 581
13. Penn St.- 553
14. Georgia- 503
15. Clemson- 502
16. Tennessee- 499
17. Auburn- 487
18. Michigan St.- 347
19. UCLA- 336
20. Texas A&M- 303
21. Washington- 295
22. Wisconsin- 286
23. Arkansas- 267
24. Oregon- 254
25. TCU- 246
LSU is now solidly #2 in the league. Tennessee will likely fall behind Auburn within the next few years assuming Harsin doesn't tank AU's program.
Here is where Tennessee ranked nationally at the conclusion of each decade, going back to the 1950s:
1959- #6 (top SEC program)
1969- #10 (#2 in SEC)
1979- #9 (#2 in SEC)
1989- #13 (#2 in SEC)
1999- #10 (#2 in SEC)
2009- #12 (#3 in SEC)
2019- #14 (#4 in SEC)
And now after 2020, they've fallen to #16 and fifth in the SEC.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 12:04 pm to BHMKyle
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By my metric that I post each year
Stop the presses, everyone; Kyle from Birmingham's unimpeachable analysis slots Tennessee in at #5 in the SEC, four points (?) shy of perennial contender Georgia!
Posted on 7/8/21 at 12:16 pm to BHMKyle
Florida, Miami and FSU are all even on your metric. It’s amazing
Posted on 7/8/21 at 12:21 pm to VolsUberAlles
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In twenty years, when LSU has regressed (let's be clear, 2003 to 2019 was an anomaly) and Tennessee is back in business, this thread will look even sillier than it does now.
Louisiana has better talent than Tennessee so that by itself means LSU has a better setup. LSU has (and is) more often than not mismanaged. That’s why LSU isn’t even more accomplished.
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 5:19 pm
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