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re: For the people who don't want to expand the NCAA football playoffs, I point to Exhibit A
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:31 am to Jumpinjack
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:31 am to Jumpinjack
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Football plays once a week, basketball plays like 30 games
Basketball plays twice a week during the regular season. The tournaments are different and the coaches adjust. The football playoffs would be played once a week. What in the frick are you talking about?
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:32 am to bigDgator
Yes, and Houston has no history of success in basketball. They have made six final fours, tied for 10th most all time. And it has not been recent, as the last time they made the final four was 8 months ago. So yes, your argument is totally valid. I understand that basketball and football are different sports. There is a history of non power 5 teams having great success in basketball. Programs such as Houston, UNLV, Villanova, and Gonzaga have all had success and competed for national championships in our lifetimes. The same is true in football. The list of mid majors/non power 5 teams competing for legitimate and realistic national championships is impressive. The list is as follows:
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:35 am to Decker
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I think the bigger argument is that there aren’t really 12 or 16 deserving teams. It’s cool when a 5 seed wins March Madness, but what makes college football special is the champion has to be close to perfect all season.
Yes. I think 8 teams would be ideal. It would account for the major difference in schedules across the country but still not have teams in the playoff who have no business at all competing for a title. Even 8 might be a little high but I would be okay with 8 winning a title over 9-12 winning one.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:36 am to Che Boludo
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Parity in football and parity in other sports is not apples to apples, nor is the impact and toll the game takes on a team in football vs the other Big 3 sports.
OK fine, let's compare football to all the other football leagues, including the NCAA Football Playoff Division, shall we?
Here is the current bracket.
2021 FCS Playoff Bracket
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:37 am to panhandlebama
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Even 8 might be a little high but I would be okay with 8 winning a title over 9-12 winning one.
Well if they aren't going to win why work so hard to keep them out? It would seem moot to a big bad arse program like Bama?
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:37 am to bigDgator
Never understood the anti playoff crowd. More high stake college football games is never a bad thing. Make it 8 so the regular season is still super important.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:41 am to MacMan10
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The 4 seed has also won it twice.
Can't fault teams for making the best of the opportunity given to them. But at no point has a #4 team had a legit claim on the #1 spot going into the playoffs. It's purely a matter of needing a 4th team in the years when 3 teams do have such claims.
Which makes it all the more ridiculous to expand.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:42 am to captdalton
Listen, my point is that Bama fans did care about a regular season basketball game. I was comparing it only for the argument that has been made that a playoff expansion would kill the meaning of the regular season in football, which is horseshite.
I have plenty of other comparisons to kill all of the other reasons not expanding the playoff. I am not comparing basketball to football, only fan support for basketball with fan support for football.
I have plenty of other comparisons to kill all of the other reasons not expanding the playoff. I am not comparing basketball to football, only fan support for basketball with fan support for football.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:43 am to bigDgator
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Well if they aren't going to win why work so hard to keep them out? It would seem moot to a big bad arse program like Bama?
Because you are rewarding mediocrity. It makes the regulaar season less meaningful. Teams in a playoff should show in the regular season that they somewhat deserve to be in the playoff.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:48 am to 3down10
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Can't fault teams for making the best of the opportunity given to them. But at no point has a #4 team had a legit claim on the #1 spot going into the playoffs. It's purely a matter of needing a 4th team in the years when 3 teams do have such claims.
Which makes it all the more ridiculous to expand.
You are one of the brightest people on the rant and I agree with most of your posts, but saying a team can't win so they shouldn't have a shot is absolutely ridiculous. Their have been blowouts when only 2 teams were invited, so I am guessing in those seasons we should have awarded the national title after the regular season?
The New England Patriots best team ever lost in the Super Bowl to a team that barely made the playoffs and had to win every game on the road, which no one gave them a chance to do, so for you to say that Team D or Team E can't win it is ridiculous.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:48 am to MacMan10
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Best argument I’ve seen is it eliminates opt outs
Good point. And the maun thing the football committee has to do is figure out how to incorporate the major bowls into a 12 team format. So 4 bowls first round (with 4 byes), then four next round, then two, the rotating championship site. That's 10 bowls involved in the process and I suspect, as you say, reduced opt outs.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:50 am to panhandlebama
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Because you are rewarding mediocrity. It makes the regulaar season less meaningful. Teams in a playoff should show in the regular season that they somewhat deserve to be in the playoff.
So Bama should not have been able to be in the Championship in the 2011 season when they didn't even win their division or go to the SECCG?
Yet they showed that they could win and did so.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:51 am to bigDgator
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It would seem a little pre-Christmas basketball regular season game in Tuscaloosa against a team that isn't Power 5 and isn't even in the top 10 seemed to matter a whole bunch.
It mattered to fans. In the grand scheme of things, those two teams will get credit for playing each other, but the winner will be irrelevant.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:05 pm to TexasTiger08
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It mattered to fans. In the grand scheme of things, those two teams will get credit for playing each other, but the winner will be irrelevant.
No sir. This game will be remembered come March. Especially if both teams continue to do well.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:07 pm to Decker
There aren’t 12 deserving teams. 8 tops
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:25 pm to deltaland
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There aren’t 12 deserving teams. 8 tops
OK, what is your criteria for being deserving?
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:28 pm to Marktastic86
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How many times has the 4 seed in the CFP been blown out? A lot.
2014 - Ohio State won the title
2015 - Oklahoma blown out
2016 - Washington blown out
2017 - Alabama won the title
2018 - Oklahoma blown out
2019 - Oklahoma blown out
2020 - Notre Dame blown out
Seems to me that 4-seeds that are overrated programs (Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Washington) get blown out while 4-seeds that aren't don't.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:30 pm to bigDgator
quote:Mattered to whom?
For the people who don't want to expand the NCAA football playoffs, I point to Exhibit A
The Houston vs Bama basketball game last night.
The argument I hear most of all is that an expanded playoff will render the regular season games meaningless. It would seem a little pre-Christmas basketball regular season game in Tuscaloosa against a team that isn't Power 5 and isn't even in the top 10 seemed to matter a whole bunch.
Not only did I not watch it, I wasn't even aware of the game itself.
Why? Because I give less than a shite about basketball until March Madness. And even then, I don't really pay attention until the later rounds.
The winner of the UH vs Bama game has little-to-no bearing on the tournament. Exciting game or not, it doesn't matter in the bigger picture.
There's a reason why college football is (or at least was) the greatest sport on earth. When you figure out why, you'll understand how wrong your example really is.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:39 pm to bigDgator
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So Bama should not have been able to be in the Championship in the 2011 season when they didn't even win their division or go to the SECCG?
Correct. Bama should not have made the BCS in 2011. That cheapened the BCS. Now the Playoffs have done the same twice. Having 4 or 5 teams that can't win their conference means more football, not better football.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:40 pm to bigDgator
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So Bama should not have been able to be in the Championship in the 2011 season when they didn't even win their division or go to the SECCG?
Yet they showed that they could win and did so.
I can see the argument on both sides in 2011. The system was set up for the 2 best teams. Bama was clearly 2. But I can also see why Okie State feel they got shafted whebn Bama had already lost in the regular season. But if you go past 8 you are getting 3 loss teams in and I just don't think a 3 loss team deserves to be in the playoffs. 2 losses ok. But 3 no way.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 12:41 pm
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