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re: For the first time in decades the SEC may be surpassed as the nation's top conference
Posted on 8/4/23 at 7:38 am to gamecockman12
Posted on 8/4/23 at 7:38 am to gamecockman12
Why do we want to add anyone? You do realize the if the Big 10 becomes the Big 20, some schools may not play each other for 10 to 15 years. I say we stay at 16 and put 4-5 quality teams in the 12 team playoff and continue to dominate the sport. 21 of the past 50 NCs belong to us.
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 7:46 am to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Guess that's what happens when you add Texas to a conference.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 10:55 am to Landmass
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Damnit. Quit suggesting these two. Terrible fit culturally.
I don't think that's the metric they'll be using when they pull this trigger.
North Carolina and Virginia are the 9th and 12th most populated states. Together, they're roughly the size of New York, plus there's the DC market.
Great fits? Don't know. But there's a lot of value there, and they're both public Ivies.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:25 am to NaturalStateReb
quote:No, I think it's the other way around.
If the Big 10 takes all of those PAC schools, I would presume they wouldn't have much appetite for ACC additions.
I think the Big 10 is actively trying to take control of Division 1 football. If they can take the power teams from the ACC, there is no option for the SEC to keep pace.
Looking at the size of these conferences and the amount of power schools, there's no way all these programs will win on the field. So the draw is- money and control of the sport.
What the Big 10 is doing, is like trying to gain a supermajority in Parliament. Get enough, and they will force through any and all rules they want.
We don't need Clemson and Fla State as such, but we do need to keep them out of the other camp.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:30 am to Scoob
Scaling up this big will backfire on conferences.
Scaling up only works if the original teams make more money with the growth (not socializing their pot with more mouths).
There is a reason why the PAC is the PAC. There is a reason why the big xii is the big xii. There are lots of schools taking in more than they are giving back.
I haven't been reading this thread (I pretty much am jumping in on this page).
TV contracts are changing. Disney is going to pull ESPN's exclusivity from the cable and satellite networks. It will be available a LA carte. The "LA Market" will not be more important than the exact number of eyes on USC and UCLA games. And that goes for every metropolis.
Scaling up only works if the original teams make more money with the growth (not socializing their pot with more mouths).
There is a reason why the PAC is the PAC. There is a reason why the big xii is the big xii. There are lots of schools taking in more than they are giving back.
I haven't been reading this thread (I pretty much am jumping in on this page).
TV contracts are changing. Disney is going to pull ESPN's exclusivity from the cable and satellite networks. It will be available a LA carte. The "LA Market" will not be more important than the exact number of eyes on USC and UCLA games. And that goes for every metropolis.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:51 am to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
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For the first time in decades the SEC may be surpassed as the nation's top conference
None of us give a shite.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:52 am to Scoob
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I think the Big 10 is actively trying to take control of Division 1 football. If they can take the power teams from the ACC, there is no option for the SEC to keep pace.
There are no power schools left in the ACC. The only power school that is not in the SEC or Big 10 right now is Notre Dame.
FSU and Clemson are not the type of blue bloods that are worth adding. Texas and OU were. So was USC. But ND is the only one of those left.
We don't need Clemson or FSU and we don't need to keep them from the Big 10 either. We don't lose anything by them going elsewhere because the fans of those teams already watch SEC football games. They'll continue to do so if their teams are in the Big 10. Will they watch more Big 10 games? Sure. But they'll still watch SEC games.
They mean nothing to the SEC either way.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:53 am to AwgustaDawg
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Lets say that Oregon, Washington, Notre Dame and any number of ACC teams joins the Big 75 or whatever they become, UGA is still UGA, Bama is still Bama and LSU is still LSU. Those 3 would win 80% of the time that they played ANYONE in the Big 700 or whatever they become. If you tosse Tennessee, TAM, UK, USC and Ole Miss its a 50/50 toss up that those teams beat everyone in the Big 7000 at least half the time. Just because the Big 700000 had 700000 teams if they don't have one that can beat UGA and one that can beat LSU and one that can beat Bama what are the better than, the middle of the SEC??? When they start winning head to head against the SEC they will have become equally important as a conference. Keep getting that arse whupped by SEC teams and its going to be hard to claim you are better than the SEC
Impossible to say it any better.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:35 pm to DawginSC
None of us really knows what the conferences are doing, we're just spitballing.
I don't think anyone thought the Big 10 would raid the Pac 12. Those 2 conferences were always allied (gave you a 2 vote presence at all times with the Power 5), they had a century worth of history together, there's no overlap in geography, etc. For the Big 10 to blow it up, that suggests there's something way deeper than what we've been speculating on.
I don't think anyone thought the Big 10 would raid the Pac 12. Those 2 conferences were always allied (gave you a 2 vote presence at all times with the Power 5), they had a century worth of history together, there's no overlap in geography, etc. For the Big 10 to blow it up, that suggests there's something way deeper than what we've been speculating on.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:05 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
By what metric? The number of teams in the conference? 
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:09 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
I'm sick of this shite and it hasn't even started yet.
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