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First Down Marker rules: Breaking That Plane
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:14 pm
I'm rewathing the UF Bama game... w 4:00 in the 4th UF had a critical 3rd where the receiver caught and stretched the ball past the line to gain and brought it back into his body just as his knee went down.
Insufferable always gabbing Gary proclaims that plane isn't like the goalline plane and it's where you end the play, not that you stretch it over as you are going down.
Is he correct? For clarification, it was called a 1st on the field. UF scored w 3:00 left on the clock.
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:16 pm to Sao
I think the ref came on after and said if you do that and then bring it back on your own accord then it's not where you stretch it because you then brought it back yourself, but if you stretch it and then are tackled back it's just like forward progress.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:16 pm to Sao
I've always thought the ball was supposed to be spotted where it was located when the ballcarrier was downed (be it his knee, elbow, etc. hitting the ground).
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:16 pm to Sao
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Insufferable always gabbing Gary proclaims that plane isn't like the goalline plane and it's where you end the play, not that you stretch it over as you are going down.
Is he correct? For clarification, it was called a 1st on the field. UF scored w 3:00 left on the clock.
The “rules expert” corrected Gary and stated that in the case of a first down, it’s not like that of a goal line. You get credit for whatever yardage you can gain by reaching the ball out, and it doesn’t matter if you bring the ball back to your body.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:18 pm to Sao
It is the same as forward progress. Runner gets credit for the yardage
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:20 pm to Sao
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I'm rewathing the UF Bama game
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:21 pm to Sao
No he's wrong....think forward progress
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:21 pm to Sao
This has been called a first in multiple games I’ve watched when a player extended the ball over the plane for first down.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:22 pm to Tornado Alley
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I've always thought the ball was supposed to be spotted where it was located when the ballcarrier was downed (be it his knee, elbow, etc. hitting the ground).
Forward progress.
The runner only loses forward progress if they make a move away from it. AKA a runner tries to run backwards/sideways to make a guy miss etc.
Most often, forward progress and what you mention happen at the same time.
Seemed like the call was correct to me. But perhaps the act of bringing the ball back is the above, with the runner choosing to bring it back.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:22 pm to Tuscaloosa
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You get credit for whatever yardage you can gain by reaching the ball out, and it doesn’t matter if you bring the ball back to your body.
See, that seems the most logical. Human instinct w a tackler draped on you is doing two things at once. Getting the first and bringing the ball into yourself to avoid a mistake or fumble. Boom boom play.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:24 pm to BSherrill
Yeah, I had a Mike Tyson typing moment
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:24 pm to Sao
it was forward progress because he was in the middle of being tackled when he stretched out. no if he was freely running and ran backwards, then yeah, that's where the ball would've been spotted. and i think it was 4th and 2 on that play. not 3rd.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:26 pm to Sao
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Insufferable always gabbing Gary proclaims that plane isn't like the goalline plane and it's where you end the play, not that you stretch it over as you are going down.
Even better, earlier in the game a Bama receiver did the same thing and Gary was stumping for a review because he has reached the ball across.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
BAll is supposed to be spotted where it was when the players knee elbow or body make contact
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:27 pm to Old Sarge
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BAll is supposed to be spotted where it was when the players knee elbow or body make contact
Not if there is forward progress
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:28 pm to Sao
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Insufferable always gabbing Gary proclaims that plane isn't like the goalline plane and it's where you end the play, not that you stretch it over as you are going down.
Is he correct?
Yes. And I despise most of his bama slurping commentary.
If the player brought the ball back prior to being down, it’s not a first.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:29 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Even better, earlier in the game a Bama receiver did the same thing and Gary was stumping for a review because he has reached the ball across.
You know, you're right. Great observation
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:36 pm to Sao
Alabama's was a little different because Latu had the ball across the line when he hit the ground, his reach just put it another yard or so over.
Florida's the guy was half a yard short just based on where the ball was when he was down, but he reached out before that.
Florida's the guy was half a yard short just based on where the ball was when he was down, but he reached out before that.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:39 pm to Sao
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Insufferable always gabbing Gary proclaims that plane isn't like the goalline plane and it's where you end the play, not that you stretch it over as you are going down.
If you remember 1-3 drives earlier, the alabana TE did the exact same thing and Gary was advocating 1st down…it was “such a heads up play”.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:39 pm to bstew3006
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If you remember 1-3 drives earlier, the alabana TE did the exact same thing and Gary was advocating 1st down…it was “such a heads up play”.
Latu landed across the marker, so it wasn't exactly the same situation. One relied on forward progress, one didn't.
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