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re: ESPN FPI is out
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:04 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:04 pm to Jjdoc
Iowa State is built to rumble with any team in the country regardless of talent disparities and they can absolutely do so. Everything they do is designed to negate talent disparity. If you're looking at recruiting class rankings in facing Iowa State, or in downplaying their ranking, you don't know what you're talking about.
It's all about their schemes.
It's all about their schemes.
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:07 pm to aggressor
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OU may be good but I don't see how they are going to be better than the Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield teams that were exposed in the Playoff.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:59 pm to Hogattack
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No offense.. but Miss State #8? sounds like a great list
No offense...but Arkansas #29? Missouri at 34 and project to win over 7 games and Arkansas project to win 6 games. Now that doesn't make sense!
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:28 am to TrueLefty
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No offense...but Arkansas #29? Missouri at 34 and project to win over 7 games and Arkansas project to win 6 games. Now that doesn't make sense!
It actually does really, you are not accounting for strength of schedule...
While you play Tenner, KY, Vandy... We have LSU, Bammy, and OM....
We also play Texas this season... C'mon man!
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:03 am to Razorback Reverend
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It actually does really, you are not accounting for strength of schedule...
While you play Tenner, KY, Vandy... We have LSU, Bammy, and OM....
We also play Texas this season... C'mon man!
The point is the rating based on the estimated record at the end of the year and Missouri estimated record at the end of year. Missouri should be much higher. I am expecting 8-4 record or maybe 9-3 record. Arkansas? You telling me they will jump and start beating MSU, Ole Miss, Texas and others that are project to be much better than they did last year. Arkansas will be better too but aren't going to leapfrog others that will beat Arkansas this year. It is obvious that Arkansas will win more games but not much more. I say 5 games in the regular season. Maybe Arkansas can surprise a team or two. I doubt that will happen this year when everyone played them last year. I believe Odom will be the same. Meaning giving up a lot of yards and points.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 7:52 am to Jjdoc
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MSU has always had good to great defense.
Give Leach time
Posted on 4/14/21 at 8:20 am to themetalreb
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MSU was worse, much worse, in their last game than they were in their first...and here’s another news flash: NOBODY had a spring...all all those cute little “improving” stats for Leach at new schools all occurred at non-SEC schools...it was amazing to me how a simple rush 3 formula completely dismantled that offense last year...
I love when an Ole Miss fan who clearly knows nothing about football jumps into a football thread and tries to talk trash.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 8:24 am to Buster Womb
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Give Leach time
I get the criticism on Leach's defense, but State will continue to get top defensive talent in Mississippi. Our defensive history is too solidified for even Leach to screw it up.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 10:25 am to aggressor
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Teams with talent know how to defend him. He will always be dangerous and do well but he will also crap the bed and will never be elite.
They do? You mean the rush 3 drop 8?
LOL! Ok. You are going to see MS ST beat teams nobody thought State could.
He's not having to play with 1, 2 and a few 3 stars.
For example, Washington was recruiting extremely well. In 2019, they pulled in 15 four star players and ranked 16th. Not WSU.
WSU was ranked 67th and not a single 4 star.
47th in 2018.
44th in 2017
65th in 2010.
Yet he consistently beat teams with way better talent. An example is #5 USC in 2017.
Leach does not have that issue at MS ST. He is in the SEC where top players want to play. He's pulling in WRs and QBs that are the highest rated Leach has ever had! He's setting on the #13th class and 4th in the SEC with all of their top targets left.
Leach has his QB:
Sawyer Robertson threw for 4500 yards his SR year, 58 Tds and 7 ints.
His career in HS in a LEACH type system 12,148 yards, 146 TDs and only 22 INTs. A 65% career competition %
There was only 1 other QB in the nation to beat him.
Ms St will field 4 or 5 Wrs that are rated 4 stars.. Leach has never had that on his sideline.
Couple that with their normal defense.
Say what you want, convince yourself of the "world" finally figured him out last year and know how to defend him.
LOL! rush 3 drop 8... Leach has never seen that!
Posted on 4/14/21 at 11:35 am to Jjdoc
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LOL! Ok. You are going to see MS ST beat teams nobody thought State could.
He's not having to play with 1, 2 and a few 3 stars.
I think most A&M fans expect Leach to keep doing what he has been doing for decades, which has zero to do with the historical trajectory of any program.
I fully expect him to have MSU competitive in games they should not be, climbing the rankings, and then mysteriously belly flopping and regressing at odd times.
His greatest season ever in 2008 saw him pull off back to back big wins over #1 and #8 only to be thoroughly humiliated by Oklahoma in the last game of the season and then crushed by Jevan Snead and Ole Miss.
If he does bring it all together in Starkville, it will be for the first time in his career.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:20 pm to Windy City
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I fully expect him to have MSU competitive in games they should not be, climbing the rankings, and then mysteriously belly flopping and regressing at odd times.
Like most teams?
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His greatest season ever in 2008 saw him pull off back to back big wins over #1 and #8 only to be thoroughly humiliated by Oklahoma in the last game of the season and then crushed by Jevan Snead and Ole Miss.
By a #5 OU...
And let's keep in mind, he did that with nowhere near the talent that those teams he beat had. He has the most talent he has ever had at MSU.
Saying his team flopped is way wrong. His team over achieved in every sense of the term.
He had 1 4 star player on that team WR Crabtree. He will have 4 to 5 JUST at the WR position on this MSU team this year.
His OL will be the best he has ever had as far as rating's go.
His defense will be top 15 or higher for this season.
I'm not saying he will win it all, but I would not doubt it.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 10:43 pm to Jjdoc
Lol, been following Leach since he was the OC at OU and pulled out all kinds of wild and crazy to destroyed A&M in '99 after we had won 4 straight against OU. Then I remember all of his craziness at Tech, especially the '02 game when we blew an 18 point 4th quarter lead and lost 48-47 by dropping 8.
Leach is always dangerous but he is beatable. By the end at Tech he was about equal on talent with A&M and we were beating him like a drum. Then at WSU he coule never compete with UW and if you read up on what they were doing they had the formula down to contain hid offense and won easily every year. I also don't buy at all that he has better talent at MSU than he did in those late 2000 Tech teams.
Will he have better talent at MSU? Sure. Only problem is he is in the SECW so having really good talent still puts you way behind Bama, LSU, and A&M who are all Top 10 if not Top 5 Recruiting Classes annually now. The Composite talent for MSU is 23rd which is 5th in the West and 9th in the SEC. 247 Conposite
Leach is always dangerous but he is beatable. By the end at Tech he was about equal on talent with A&M and we were beating him like a drum. Then at WSU he coule never compete with UW and if you read up on what they were doing they had the formula down to contain hid offense and won easily every year. I also don't buy at all that he has better talent at MSU than he did in those late 2000 Tech teams.
Will he have better talent at MSU? Sure. Only problem is he is in the SECW so having really good talent still puts you way behind Bama, LSU, and A&M who are all Top 10 if not Top 5 Recruiting Classes annually now. The Composite talent for MSU is 23rd which is 5th in the West and 9th in the SEC. 247 Conposite
Posted on 4/14/21 at 11:17 pm to aggressor
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Leach is always dangerous but he is beatable.
Are you saying Saban isn't?
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By the end at Tech he was about equal on talent with A&M and we were beating him like a drum.
Please don't make me pull out the recruiting.
TAMU:
2004- 10th
2005 - 11th ranked class.
2006 - 17th
2007- 41
2008- 16th
2009- 27th
Come on. Do you really want me to list those 65th and 71st classes by TT? Or do you want to recant that "about equal" statement.
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Then at WSU he coule never compete with UW
Actually beat them in his first year. But Washington out recruited them heavily. Just in 1 year, Washington took in 15 four star recruits. WSU was also pathetic when Leach took them over.
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and if you read up on what they were doing they had the formula down to contain hid offense and won easily every year.
The drop drop 8 is something everybody has done against Leach. It's nothing new to him.
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I also don't buy at all that he has better talent at MSU than he did in those late 2000 Tech teams.
I really don't care what you buy. Leach had 1 4 star guy on the offense. WR Crabtree.
Leach has 4 to 5 WRs ranked at 4*s.
Has a TOP rated QB in the nation coming in.
The RBs 4 star guys.
That defense was ranked 18th in the nation and they will be much improved this season.
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Will he have better talent at MSU? Sure. Only problem is he is in the SECW so having really good talent still puts you way behind Bama, LSU, and A&M who are all Top 10 if not Top 5 Recruiting Classes annually now.
LOL! Man.. Tx and OU was all top 10 too and he was beating them with 65 ranked recruiting. The talent gap is not that far apart. Mullen and Hell.. even Joe MOE whipped your arse with that "great" recruiting.
To compare MSU's talent to TT and even remotely think it's close is just pure ignorance.
To compare the talent gap from TT to that of TX and say it's about the same as MSU to the rest of the SECW is Ignorance.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 11:30 pm to aggressor
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Lol, been following Leach since he was the OC at OU and pulled out all kinds of wild and crazy to destroyed A&M in '99 after we had won 4 straight against OU. Then I remember all of his craziness at Tech, especially the '02 game when we blew an 18 point 4th quarter lead and lost 48-47 by dropping 8.
Leach is always dangerous but he is beatable. By the end at Tech he was about equal on talent with A&M and we were beating him like a drum. Then at WSU he coule never compete with UW and if you read up on what they were doing they had the formula down to contain hid offense and won easily every year. I also don't buy at all that he has better talent at MSU than he did in those late 2000 Tech teams.
Will he have better talent at MSU? Sure. Only problem is he is in the SECW so having really good talent still puts you way behind Bama, LSU, and A&M who are all Top 10 if not Top 5 Recruiting Classes annually now. The Composite talent for MSU is 23rd which is 5th in the West and 9th in the SEC. 247 Conposite
Wow! Missouri is really that bad at 50! That is why Odom was fired! Drinkwitz is the one making changes for the better at Missouri!
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 1:52 am
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:42 am to Jjdoc
I swear Espn dpi fpi would crown bama champs if they lost every game by 35. Just a dumb metric
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:47 am to Razorback Reverend
quote:Texas is an auto-win for Arkansas. Seen their two down lineman defense yet? All you have to do is run the ball essentially every single down. Their OL and DL cannot even come close to matching what Arkansas will field
We also play Texas this season... C'mon man!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 1:57 am to Buster Womb
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MSU has always had good to great defense.
Give Leach time
If you follow Leach's history as a HC from different schools. He does poorly in first year and starts to get better each year until he reaches his potential or others figured out how to beat his Air Raid offense.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:30 am to TrueLefty
They voted bama number 1 after LSU went undefeated with a win over bama. So stupid
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:36 am to Starcrunch37
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They voted bama number 1 after LSU went undefeated with a win over bama. So stupid
It's because of what we returned and all that you lost. It turns out they were... right. You lost how many in the follow up season? We, on the other hand, won it all.
Thanks for pointing out the FPI was right.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:50 am to Jjdoc
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Print the mf'n shirts baby!
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