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Do you think the NIL market will sort itself out?

Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:42 am
Posted by ForeverGator
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:42 am
These boosters spending millions for recruiting classes have to realize at some point that their ROI is awful. A&M is a perfect example.

Upperclassmen will begin to get jealous (already are) of freshman coming in with huge deals and haven't played a snap.

When will the trend start going to rewarding those that have done something on the field and made a name for themselves at the school they're playing for? That's the root of the NIL, it was never intended to be a free agency market.

Have we seen a big NIL deal actually pan out for performance on the field? You could argue Bryce Young was a decent investment, but I don't know.

I am just sick of the bidding wars, it's pathetic and disingenuous of the players to go to a school just for the $$$.

Earn it on the field, fellas.
Posted by blairjs
Georgia
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:43 am to
Nope. I think the market will be like coaching salaries. It will skyrocket..just look at Texas A&M for example.

You haven't seen nothing yet. This is just the start.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:44 am to
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These boosters spending millions for recruiting classes have to realize at some point that their ROI is awful. A&M is a perfect example.

Upperclassmen will begin to get jealous (already are) of freshman coming in with huge deals and haven't played a snap.

When will the trend start going to rewarding those that have done something on the field and made a name for themselves at the school they're playing for? That's the root of the NIL, it was never intended to be a free agency market.

Have we seen a big NIL deal actually pan out for performance on the field? You could argue Bryce Young was a decent investment, but I don't know.

I am just sick of the bidding wars, it's pathetic and disingenuous of the players to go to a school just for the $$$.

Earn it on the field, fellas


To some extent. But cheating has been going on for years and years. The only difference is that the teams with the most money to play with have changed and the old guard is pissed at the new guard. And the schools that have always been in the middle like to laugh at the old guard. Welcome to our world.
Posted by Aguga
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:45 am to
Yes, like most things the new wears off and the old shines through… or something like that.
Posted by Swagga
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:47 am to
I think it already has started sorting itself out. Look at A&M and Miami. Two schools that by all accounts were dumping buckets of money at players and look at the headaches those two programs have.

The wide open NIL days are completely unsustainable. There’s no way boosters will continue cutting blank checks for guys like Denver Harris who show up to campus and frick around the entire time.
Posted by ForeverGator
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:49 am to
I say this after we just outbid Miami for a Rashada.

It just does not feel genuine that he wants to come to Florida for any other reason other than $$$.

I hope he proves me wrong, but it's just dumb they have to spend this kind of money to maybe get a good player -- most don't work out.
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:17 pm to
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Nope. I think the market will be like coaching salaries. It will skyrocket..just look at Texas A&M for example.


Boosters will quit investing millions if they don't get results. Using your own example of A&M and Miami. That is not the return big $$ guys were expecting when buying players who don't give a shite about the school, only chasing the $$.

Compare to Miami in the 80's- that was south florida kids playing for The U with a massive chip on their shoulder. Sure they were getting paid but not 7 figures. They would not play with that edge if Texas or Michigan bought them. Football is a hard sport. You gotta have a little extra "want to" to excel at this level. Not sure 18 year old millionaires are gonna give you much of that.
Posted by TopekaTiger
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:21 pm to
Once teams get burned enough they'll start to pass on the obvious pay-day prospects and focus on players who actually want to be at their university
Posted by Sgt Tuffnuts
Middle Georgia
Member since Jul 2022
2095 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:39 pm to
My uneducated opinion is that whatever program can get the most average Joe fans to pay 5 or 10 or 20 dollars a month on auto draft will end up doing the best.

Right now I pay 5 or 10 dollars per month so much different shite that I can't keep up with it all. So the mentality is "what's another 5 or 10 dollars month for NIL?"
Posted by IlliniBuck
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 2:00 pm to
Is it far fetched to think 22 of the best players in the country could get together on social media and transfer together to the same Dream Team? Nil could play a part in that.

Posted by jbraua
Oklahoma City, OK
Member since Oct 2007
6790 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 2:05 pm to
Yes, it will insofar as the programs that have always had the most money, highest paid coaches, and nicest facilities will now also have the highest NIL collectives. Things will be just like they were before NIL.

Aggies got a jump start on it, but that has already self-corrected.
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
7776 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 2:09 pm to
Alabama's internal NIL has been lying dividends for over a decade. You still have to coach well.
Posted by themicah85
DALLAS TX
Member since Jul 2015
3501 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 2:56 pm to
Ofcourse thats not far fetched. Look at the nba for the last 14ish years.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:45 pm to
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These boosters spending millions for recruiting classes have to realize at some point that their ROI is awful. A&M is a perfect example.



This is what I expect. Nobody is going to just throw money down a hole and get nothing for it. At least not twice... Boosters are used to throwing money around and getting some priviledge for it. Gonna be hard to give a 18 yr old a bunch of cash and get stiffed with no recourse.

Now somehow I believe it will morph to an "earned" system rather than paying people to just show up. Also it will eventually get out that many of these bag chasers will be miserable because they are not where they want or need to be.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19261 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 3:56 pm to
NIL money may or may not rise or sink over time, but the transfer portal is, to many, a much bigger concern. Massive numbers are expected this Dec. when the window opens.
Posted by Russianblue
Member since Nov 2007
1107 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:26 pm to
I posit that majority of 18 yr old kids who join a college football program solely for the money are much less likely to have success than those who are actually doing it, at least in part, for an education and/or life/personal growth experience.

It's a character issue. You've probably worked with cut-throat fuks in your life who would gut you and leave you for dead if they could take your customer. Some people like that have success, but I'd assert that it's short-lived. You can't develop healthy, meaningful, long-term relationships in life or business if everything is transactional and you are entirely self-focused. Character, trust, bonding, longevity, loyalty and success (all required for a championship team) always involve an element of GIVING to others. Often for nothing. The narrative nowadays is that you are OWED.

That's amateur sport vs pro. But the pros have earned their keep and have a ridiculously tough slog to get there and stay. High school kids, many never having held a regular job before, typically don't have the maturity to handle what comes along with having money. Of course some do...but most don't. Even those who do are necessarily early in their 'career' and personal development.

This may sound hokey but the ideal college football program builds MEN. You would hope so anyway.

It's hard. It's high pressure. It's extraordinarily competitive. Most of these superstars have always had it easy on the football field. Few have had to overcome much on the gridiron despite each and every signing day meme describing 'all I had to overcome to become the man I am today.'

If nothing else, the 8&4feit pre-season national championship has proven that if you gather a large number of money-first, money-only kids along with their money-first families, it may create a toxic culture and the wheels may very well fall straight off.

NIL definitely has it's place and should absolutely be a part of the conversation, but ultimately the teams who can attract the most talented, highest character, value-driven recruits will be the winners in the end. It won't be a simple matter of top 247 class. It takes some chops to grind through 3-4 years of school and football - chops that generally have to be cultivated, not just purchased.



Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 5:01 pm to
quote:

Is it far fetched to think 22 of the best players in the country could get together on social media and transfer together to the same Dream Team?

Or like if most of the starters at, say, IMG went to one team?

Would certainly be interesting, and I'm honestly surprised some of those kids haven't already tried something like that, to a lesser degree.

Circumstances would have to be just right for some college team to make it work though.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
15865 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 5:05 pm to
Future speculation is a risky investment.
Posted by ClaimToFame
Member since Nov 2017
1570 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 5:31 pm to
All very true.
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