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re: Do Auburn coaches think TJ Finley > Bo Nix?

Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:32 pm to
And for all the pressure stats that Nix has, how about his "when he has a clean pocket" stats?

2020 - Clean Pocket
3. Mac Jones (142.5)
67. Bo Nix (94.5)

Mac Jones (clean pocket)
273/339 (80.5%)
3,831 yards
11.3 YPA
33 TD
3 INT
142.5 QB Rating
#1 in the SEC

Bo Nix (clean pocket)
181/280 (64.6%)
2,030 yards
7.3 YPA
12 TD
4 INT
94.5 QB Rating
#12 in the SEC


Nix's clean pocket rating is behind
- Feleipe Franks
- Max Johnson
- Will Rogers
- Ken Seals
- Jarrett Guarantano
- Connor Bazelak

Hard to argue that those guys outside of true freshman Johnson had "better weapons" than Nix did.


Nix absolutely has the tools to be a solid college QB, but he was a trainwreck last season and clearly was mentally frustrated and beaten down by the entire offensive situation. His mechanics were bad, his body language was bad, he was all over the map.

Harsin and Bobo are solid offensive and QB coaches - if there is something there to pull out and be saved they'll do it.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 5:34 pm
Posted by Bigbens42
Trussvegas
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:34 pm to
George I'd be hard pressed to say you've ever seen a Malzahn designed passing scheme lol. Lot of passing plays with only a single option by design.

Bo Nix has been screwed by his coaching since day one.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:34 pm to
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I agree. Check my post history about Jones, when everyone else thought it was gonna be Young. I held steadfast that Mac would be the guy. He's good.

That said he got the opportunity to play with the best talent in college ball. Best o line. Best wr group. Best rb group. Bama has it all. They will have the most talent again in 21. Young has everything he needs to succeed.



Totally agree - it's not some sort of gimmee that a QB is just going to be really good, but the infrastructure around them makes it a whole lot easier than most other places. And you can be an average QB who works hard and is smart and put up really good numbers.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:36 pm to
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George I'd be hard pressed to say you've ever seen a Malzahn designed passing scheme lol. Lot of passing plays with only a single option by design.

Bo Nix has been screwed by his coaching since day one.



No, as I noted above, I think it's too early to just write him off. He was in a terrible position with Gus' passing scheme and his offensive line situation, and it wore him down and seemed to create bad habits that made things even worse.

Honestly, I think he's going to be a solid QB this season. I don't know exactly what his ceiling is, but I think Harsin and Bobo are the best thing that could have happened to him. I think the offensive line and wide receiver situation aren't helpful, but Harsin will device schemes to at least give him the best possible situations that can be drawn up with the personnel around him.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 5:38 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:40 pm to
Also, to the original point of this thread, I think bringing Finley in is a great idea. He's a solid player, talented, raw. He pushes Nix a little and develops with a clear starting job sitting out there in the near future.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:41 pm to
Again, stats. Clean pocket with one option is totally different that pressure with few options. Gus had a scheme that Nix hat three options.
Find the primary receiver
Throw the ball away
Run.

No telling how many yards Nix would have have it he had a hot route option or routes designed to get WRs open.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 5:42 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:43 pm to
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Again, stats. Clean pocket with one option is totally different that pressure with few options. Gus had a scheme that Nix hat three options.
Find the primary receiver
Throw the ball away
Run.

No telling how many yards Nix would have have it he had a hot route option or routes designed to get WRs open.




And no telling how many times he would have accurately made that throw. Or had time to make the throw because the offensive line was poor.

He is what he is right now, and unfortunately for him he chose to go play for Gus Malzahn and that offense. Would he have been better in another offense? Maybe so, but he decided to go play in that one. Luckily for him, he has some good offensive and QB coaches around him now and has a chance to possibly shake off the Gus and turn into a solid college QB.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 5:44 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:48 pm to
It cost him one year. A Covid year at that. He would not have started for most programs as a true Freshman. As a matter of fact, Stidham would have been a Sr that year.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:50 pm to
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It cost him one year. A Covid year at that


It cost him 2 full years of development and training. Out of 3/4.

He was learning the offense you yourself have described as basic and bad for 2 seasons while other QBs were with coaches who yourself described as good at teaching. He missed two full seasons of that.

Doesn't mean he's doomed, but to act like that's no big deal is silly.
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:51 pm to
Posted by The Inspector
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:54 pm to
Bo Nix has a boatload of physical talent.But he is the most pathetic,God-awful coached QB I have ever seen in college football I do believe...Like Hurts when he was at Alabama...
Posted by SmokeTide
Gulf Coast Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
5287 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 5:58 pm to
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Now compare wr's and coaching.




Iron Puppet makes my head hurt please don't catch his stupid.

It's several reasons why Bo Nix struggles... it's not just his O-line which was ok but not great. Bo Nix only reads one side of field first off, I'm not sure if that is by design or simply he's unable to process information quickly on an elite level. Auburn doesn't run complex route trees either, Nix tends to drift to the right and passes off his back foot, rarely do you see him reset from a launching point to accurate deliver the ball down field.

Go back and watch any Auburn game he never gets to his 3rd read outside of the panic throws to a RB in the flats. Pretty much you have to break down all his mechanics and start over...within his mechanics are really bad tendencies.

Patting the ball and the dreaded "I'm not sure pump" on short immediate routes.

Refuse to step up in pocket.

Jalen Hurts like drifting to the right which automatically kills any chance at deep routes to the X-receiver.



Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 6:00 pm to
No, it was similar to the Offense he ran in HS. His development wasn't really able to be determined because of the Offense AU ran. He has the arm, he has the legs, he lacks some mechanics. Something a true QB Coach can work out. I have seen him make passes few College QB can make. He just needs coaching.
Posted by ImayGoLesMiles
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Feb 2015
12709 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 6:04 pm to
Idk. Bo nix hasn't impressed me the last 2 years, albeit he was stuck in that dumbass high school offense that gus runs. Finley may very well beat nix out if he chooses to go to auburn. Just goes to show how deep and talented LSUs qb room is right now and it will only get stronger next year when we get stud walker Howard in the mix.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 6:09 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 6:10 pm to
Smoke is the typical Bama Dumbass. Reads something someone else posts and it becomes fact.

AU did not use the middle of the field in the passing game. The primary receiver was usually Williams . So that is why Nix passed to one side of the field. Nix drifted to the right because he had to take off if the primary WR wasn't open, because he was taught to throw on the run. Which is easier to do when running to the right. Same with Hurts.

AU rarely had a RB in the flats, because Gus used them to block.

I am convinced Bammers do not watch any games, they just read other Cult members post and claim it.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11661 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 6:15 pm to
Congrats to you sir....without a doubt you're right at the top of the most obnoxious and overbearing people on this site.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 6:20 pm to
Did I hit too close to home with you ?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 6:21 pm to
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I am convinced Bammers do not watch any games, they just read other Cult members post and claim it.




All Bammers are wrong all the time about everything and have one tooth and live in a trailer and fvck their sisters and don't have degrees and don't watch football games. All of them. All the time. Forever. I like the players and the coaches though, not like specifically, just as a generality. Any specific Bammer player or coach is paid for, a criminal, overrated, stupid or just generally gross to look at. But I like them, just not any one specifically ever. Stats are for idiots, except total yards passing which is useful to look at unless your coaches are good and then it's worthless. Also those coaches are overrated. If Nix had good coaching he'd have great stats but also he didn't miss out on coaching the last 2 years because in high school he also played in a shitty offense so stats are dumb.



I assume it's all a message board schtick and not a real life personality, because the latter seems too depressing to contemplate being real.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 6:29 pm
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
9198 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 6:23 pm to
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Congrats to you sir....without a doubt you're right at the top of the most obnoxious and overbearing people on this site.

And it’s not even close.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 6:24 pm to
Not everything, just those I point out. Even SOG is hearing himself talk.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 6:26 pm
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