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re: Do Auburn coaches think TJ Finley > Bo Nix?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The only QB that was drafted in the 2021 draft that Nix has any shot of pointing to as a reasonable comparable is Sam Ehlinger. And he was a 6th round pick.
Do you disagree?
Really, why ? Stats ? I forget your total confidence in CF stats when comparing Apples to Oranges. Style of Offense ? Did you watch the routes of AU WRs ? Again, he still almost passed for 2500 yards in that Offense.
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:04 pm to Irons Puppet
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Really, why ? Stats ?
Are how many yards a guy passes for considered stats or..........?
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he still almost passed for 2500 yards in that Offense.
No, mainly the fact that he's inaccurate as hell and has no pocket presence. But his stats do suck too, yes.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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He had the 8th most pass attempts in college football last year. He had the 20th most yards in college football last season.
#78 in yards per attempt
#82 in passer rating
#70 in completion percentage
He was a bad QB last year in a bad offense.
Again, did you watch any of the games besides Bama or did you just read the stat sheets ?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:07 pm to Irons Puppet
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Again, did you watch any of the games besides Bama or did you just read the stat sheets ?
Is your position seriously that Bo Nix just had bad stats but was actually a solid QB last season?
I just want to make sure your position is clear here before you start wiggling around and changing the subject.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Really, why ? Stats ?
Are how many yards a guy passes for considered stats or..........?
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he still almost passed for 2500 yards in that Offense.
No trying to prove anything by stats. The fact that he threw for that many yards against air in that Offense says a lot. No TE, passing game that has one primary receiver and no hot routes. Never having anyone out of the backfield in the passing routes, few slants or picks.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:09 pm to Irons Puppet
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The fact that he threw for that many yards against air in that Offense says a lot
So stats say a lot? But stats are dumb? But this stat shows something?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Is your position seriously that Bo Nix just had bad stats but was actually a solid QB last season?
I just want to make sure your position is clear here before you start wiggling around and changing the subject.
No, my argument is if he had some coaching and a better passing system, the conversation about him in the NFL Draft would be different. Said that after his Freshman Year when he went 9-4 against the toughest schedule in CF. Hoped Morris would change Gus's approach, never happened.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The only answer that makes any sense at all is that Bo Nix is still capable of blossoming into a very solid QB under better coaching and scheme, and that the past 2 years can't be held against him because he was playing with trash around him in a trash offense. That's reasonable.
Arguing that he was actually pretty good the last 2 seasons is silly as hell.
Arguing that he was actually pretty good the last 2 seasons is silly as hell.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:11 pm to Irons Puppet
For one, I’m glad he’s yours.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Arguing that he was actually pretty good the last 2 seasons is silly as hell
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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So stats say a lot? But stats are dumb? But this stat shows something?
I said it 1000 time about CF Stats. The only really stat that shows anything about Nix is 15 wins playing the toughest schedule in the country the last two years. Factor in the obstacles with playing for Gus, and you wouldn't look down your nose with him.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:17 pm to Irons Puppet
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The only really stat that shows anything about Nix is 15 wins playing the toughest schedule in the country the last two years
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:17 pm to RelentlessTide
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For one, I’m glad he’s yours.
He is at least taller than 5'9" and can look over the OL if he has to take a snap under center.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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No, mainly the fact that he's inaccurate as hell and has no pocket presence. But his stats do suck too, yes.
When you're running for your life because every 3 step drop immediately tends to result in a free rusher in your face, the lack of "pocket presence" isn't really a good indicator as there's no pocket to speak of and most throws came while he was in the run by necessity.
Just hope the coaches can get the line to resemble anything other than wet tissue paper on pass pro, then we'll have fair grounds to judge him.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:20 pm to Bigbens42
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When you're running for your life because every 3 step drop immediately tends to result in a free rusher in your face, the lack of "pocket presence" isn't really a good indicator as there's no pocket to speak of and most throws came while he was in the run by necessity.
Valid point that his protection did him no favors, but stats or not, his mechanics are, at times, terrible.
His feet are just a mess.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:20 pm to Bigbens42
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When you're running for your life because every 3 step drop immediately tends to result in a free rusher in your face, the lack of "pocket presence" isn't really a good indicator as there's no pocket to speak of and most throws came while he was in the run by necessity.
Just hope the coaches can get the line to resemble anything other than wet tissue paper on pass pro
Agreed - he's been thrown in some really bad situations, which is why it's definitely fair to say "what if" in terms of putting him in better spots with scheme and OL.
He clearly developed some bad habits because of those situations, too. I really do expect him to be a better QB this year with Harsin and his offense, even with an average at best OL and WR room. Harsin is a good offensive coach and QB coach. He'll put Bo in much better spots than the last guy.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:23 pm to paperwasp
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but stats or not, his mechanics are, at times, terrible.
All times are in fact times, so yes.
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His feet are just a mess.
This is his biggest issue. All of his throws are "off platform" because of it.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:23 pm to paperwasp
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The only really stat that shows anything about Nix is 15 wins playing the toughest schedule in the country the last two years
He has carried that Offense entirely on his back. He beat Bama in 2019 and played LSU and UF close, despite having his hands tied with that Offense. Last year they could decide what Offense to run. Remember the coaches didn't figure out what they had with Tank until the 4th Game.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:23 pm to Bigbens42
He is trending like every Qb developed by Gus - downwards
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:25 pm to Robot Santa
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This is his biggest issue. All of his throws are "off platform" because of it.
What it boils down to for me is how got few opportunities he got to set them.
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