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re: Do Auburn coaches think TJ Finley > Bo Nix?

Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:26 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:26 pm to
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He beat Bama in 2019 and played LSU and UF close, despite having his hands tied with that Offense


The Florida game where he was 11/27 for 145 yards and threw 3 interceptions? The reason Auburn had a shot in the LSU and Florida games were on defense, and the reason they won the Alabama game was the defense picking up 2 pick 6s.

Come on now.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 4:27 pm
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:26 pm to
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This is his biggest issue. All of his throws are "off platform" because of it.

It's sooo frustrating to watch.

I just want to grab him by the face mask and tell him to set. his. damn. feet!
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:26 pm to
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He is trending like every Qb developed by Gus - downwards




I have been screaming for Gus to hire a real QB Coach and pay him $2M a year. Gus would still be at AU if he had.
Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:26 pm to
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He is trending like every Qb developed by Gus - downwards




Only one that improved as a passer under him was Marshall. Everyone else regressed terribly.

Harsin is a QB guru so hopefully proper coaching gets him on track.
Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:28 pm to
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It's sooo frustrating to watch.

I just want to grab him by the face mask and tell him to set. his. damn. feet!


He wouldn't have survived a season healthy trying to do that with what Gus put in front of him.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:31 pm to
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The Florida game where he was 11/27 for 145 yards and threw 3 interceptions? The reason Auburn had a shot in the LSU and Florida games were on defense, and the reason they won the Alabama game was the defense picking up 2 pick 6s.



Again, you must have just read the stat sheets. He was pressed to make something happen in that game. Two of his INTs had two WRs in the same area. The running game was not producing anything (except Nix). To put a Freshman in that situation should have gotten Gus fired that year. Again, Morris was going to save him.
Posted by Jebeco
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:32 pm to
Oh, if he moves east to au, it's almost guaranteed that he will torch LSU at some point.
This narrative fits in perfect with the stigma of weirdness that is LSU vs au.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:32 pm to
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Again, you must have just read the stat sheets. He was pressed to make something happen in that game. Two of his INTs had two WRs in the same area. The running game was not producing anything (except Nix). To put a Freshman in that situation should have gotten Gus fired that year. Again, Morris was going to save him.



Again, that's all fine as a reason not to blame him. But you can't say "he won these games" or "he kept them in it". That's absurd.

"You can't blame him for bad performances"? Sure. "Look at how well he played"? No. You seem to be equating those two, as if "it wasn't his fault it as Gus'" somehow translates to "he was actually good". They aren't the same thing.

Trying to point to that Florida game as an example of him keeping a game close is absurd.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:34 pm to
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the reason they won the Alabama game was the defense picking up 2 pick 6s.



bullshite. The Defense allow Waddle to take short passes and go the distance. Allowed a Return KO for a TD and played press man all day that allow Bama to turn shot passes into big yards. Nix's arm and his feet won the game for Auburn, but of course you want to show the stats instead.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:36 pm to
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Bull shite. The Defense allow Waddle to take short passes and go the distance. Allowed a Return KO for a TD and played press man all day that allow Bama to turn shot passes into big yards. Nix's arm and his feet won the game for Auburn, but of course you want to show the stats instead.



Yea, the defense got torched for most of the game. They also scored 14 points (not to mention one of the pick 6s was inside their own 10, so in reality a 21 point difference) in a game that was decided by 3 points.

Nix was definitely better in that game than the LSU/Florida games and had something to do with Auburn winning, but without those pick 6s Auburn clearly loses.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:37 pm to
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Again, that's all fine as a reason not to blame him. But you can't say "he won these games" or "he kept them in it". That's absurd.

"You can't blame him for bad performances"? Sure. "Look at how well he played"? No. You seem to be equating those two, as if "it wasn't his fault it as Gus'" somehow translates to "he was actually good". They aren't the same thing.

Trying to point to that Florida game as an example of him keeping a game close is absurd.



If Nix played for Bama's Offense in 2019, Bama wins the IB. He could run against AU DL and he could throw the slants.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:38 pm to
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If Nix played for Bama's Offense in 2019, Bama wins the IB


LOL - seriously your brain is warped
Posted by paperwasp
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:39 pm to
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He wouldn't have survived a season healthy trying to do that with what Gus put in front of him.

A lot of his issues seem to be from throwing it off of his back foot.

I can see how he developed happy feet considering that he was often running for life, but it's become a habit even in a clean pocket.

Hopefully these new dudes can coach it out of him.
Posted by Leto II
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Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:40 pm to
I don't believe he gets drafted unless Bobo and Harsin can improve him a lot. I think he's big and and fast and has a good arm, but he has some serious flaws that I don't know if they are fixable.
I wouldn't predict anything about his future until I see him play a few games with some real coaching and a better offense. That line isn't likely to help him much this year either.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:41 pm to
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Yea, the defense got torched for most of the game. They also scored 14 points (not to mention one of the pick 6s was inside their own 10, so in reality a 21 point difference) in a game that was decided by 3 points.

Nix was definitely better in that game than the LSU/Florida games and had something to do with Auburn winning, but without those pick 6s Auburn clearly loses.



If Whitlow hadn't fumbled, if Gus stop kicking the ball to Waddle, if AU hadn't sent the LBs 20 yards up field on 4th and long, those 2 pick 6s would have been a wash. But you can what if all day long. The flow of the game makes a difference.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:44 pm to
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I don't believe he gets drafted unless Bobo and Harsin can improve him a lot. I think he's big and and fast and has a good arm, but he has some serious flaws that I don't know if they are fixable.
I wouldn't predict anything about his future until I see him play a few games with some real coaching and a better offense. That line isn't likely to help him much this year either.


It does feel like a situation where you should know whether it's salvageable or not pretty early in the season.

I do know that Bobo/Harsin will absolutely call the offense in a way that will get him confidence and comfort unlike the previous coach. That alone should help a lot.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:44 pm to
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If Nix played for Bama's Offense in 2019, Bama wins the IB


LOL - seriously your brain is warped




Most of Jones TDs were decided pre-snap. Every pass Nix can make in Bama's Offense and with coaching could have ended the same. The 2nd pick 6 would have never happened and Nix would have scored himself.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:49 pm to
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Most of Jones TDs were decided pre-snap. Every pass Nix can make in Bama's Offense and with coaching could have ended the same.


Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:49 pm to
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It does feel like a situation where you should know whether it's salvageable or not pretty early in the season.

I do know that Bobo/Harsin will absolutely call the offense in a way that will get him confidence and comfort unlike the previous coach. That alone should help a lot.




Nix had a good Spring and Bobo is pleased with his progression. Still needs to work on mechanics, but the emphasis is not having him force plays thinking he has to carry the Offense.
Posted by paperwasp
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 4:50 pm to
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Most of Jones TDs were decided pre-snap. Every pass Nix can make in Bama's Offense and with coaching could have ended the same.

Let me guess - Alabama's receivers were just running free all year and all Mac had to do was toss it up, right? Anybody could do it?

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