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re: Did we get an explanation from the SEC Officiating on Arkansas targeting call?
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:37 pm to paperwasp
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:37 pm to paperwasp
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At the very least it’s extremely subjective, and they really need to address the ambiguity of these calls by changing or clarifying the rules. I just think this stuff happens so fast on the field, it really almost needs to be egregious before they decide to eject a player for a half, IMO.
They need to have levels of targeting just like they have flagrant one and two fouls in basketball. Players shouldn’t be kicked out of games for non-intentional “targeting” many times that’s unavoidable, especially in a violent sport that moves as fast as football does. And if the ball carrier lowers his head to cause helmet to helmet contact and the defender is trying to go low, then it shouldn’t be a penalty. It’s physically impossible sometimes to tackle someone and not get called for targeting. It’s like their encouraging guys to go after players’ knees and cause even more devastating injuries.
If a guy is launching himself and trying to crown a guy coming over the middle, sure call it. That’s a dirty play and avoidable. But it’s like all big hits are now ruled as targeting. But the worst are guys that square up, get low, and try to drive through a guys chest, only for the ball carrier to suck at the last milisecond and induces targeting. It’s ridiculous
This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 9:43 pm
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:40 pm to lsufball19
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They need to have levels of targeting just like they have flagrant one and two fouls in basketball.
Love this idea.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:00 pm to TigerLunatik
If you see launching then you’re more blind than Curles. The contact took his feet out from under him
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:06 pm to TFH
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The contact took his feet out from under him
Come on, man.
I hated that he got kicked out. That kid was the best player on the field Saturday and really the only one that was playing at an SEC level. But, let's not be silly about it.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:16 pm to Kester514
I hadn’t watched Arkansas all year, but I did see the last two games. Catalon has got to be the best defensive player I’ve seen all season if he always plays like he did in those two. Just really impressive.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:45 pm to Hargojargo
Watching the replay of that hit reveals that the NFL has the right take on targeting. Fumble recoveries, too.
That's painful to admit when your watching a really good SEC game on Saturday.
That's painful to admit when your watching a really good SEC game on Saturday.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 6:26 am to paperwasp
Just put flags on and play sissy ball.
College football is becoming a chick sport.
College football is becoming a chick sport.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 7:52 am to lsufball19
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But the worst are guys that square up, get low, and try to drive through a guys chest, only for the ball carrier to duck at the last milisecond and induces targeting
When we started enforcing this rule, I really thought the referees would make a clear determination to negate head/neck contact when the ball carrier ducked, but I'm not sure I've really seen them do it. They still call targeting.
I honestly don't know what the secondary is supposed to do with a receiver crossing the middle anymore.
To use your basketball analogy (which is a good idea), it's almost like they expect the defender to just plant his feet and take a charge.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 8:15 am to Herman Frisco
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Takes a real shitty call to piss me off. That call was as bad as I have ever seen.
you must not have seen many calls if you think that one was as bad as you have ever seen
Posted on 11/24/20 at 8:19 am to Kester514
Catalon has been ejected a few times this year, and it's kind of a continuation of his high school career. Kid needs to be taught how to tackle correctly, and he could be great
Posted on 11/24/20 at 8:20 am to paperwasp
Should have also erected 31 for the helmet to helmet on 18.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 8:36 am to Kester514
Any contact to the head or neck area will get flagged. I don't believe it was targeting, but it's in the "rule book."
Posted on 11/24/20 at 9:14 am to lsufball19
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They need to have levels of targeting just like they have flagrant one and two fouls in basketball.
Remember they used to have this with facemask penalties where incidental grab of the facemask was 5yards and intentional was 15yards. Then they got away with that because sometimes it was hard to determine intent. I could be the same with targeting and still become a judgement call by the ref. While sometimes it's clear and obvious, there's going to be a couple where they call 15 and ejection when it should obviously be a 5er.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 11:06 am to benoit_BayouBengals
I didn't see any contact to the head or neck area. Shoulder at best. That's why it shouldn't be 'targeting'.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/24/20 at 11:47 am to Hargojargo
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Catalon has got to be the best defensive player I’ve seen all season if he always plays like he did in those two. Just really impressive.
He's easily the best safety we've had in 20 years (not that that's saying much, but still). Reminds me of Earl Thomas. And he's just a RS Freshman.
I don't necessarily have an issue with refs making bad calls, which has happened to us over and over this year, it's just the SEC never has any transparency and just tells teams to shut up and deal with it. The SEC Officiating Twitter account is useless, never any dialogue or even trying to act like they care. Just silence.
I honestly thought this hit may have been worse from Catalon against Florida but they didn't call it targeting, guessing because the receiver didn't get knocked down: LINK
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:10 pm to gohogs141
No way that's targeting...but....
If the offensive player lowers his head and steamrolls the d-back (who is doing all he can to avoid such contact)...there's no penalty.
Defensive Lives Matter
I'm gonna riot.
If the offensive player lowers his head and steamrolls the d-back (who is doing all he can to avoid such contact)...there's no penalty.
Defensive Lives Matter
I'm gonna riot.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:52 pm to paperwasp
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The one where the guy threw his body sideways into the receiver, they reviewed it, and still called it targeting?!
Yes, the one where the guy threw his body into the head/neck area of a defenseless receiver.
You and I and 99% of fans dislike these targeting calls. 99% of us can recognize the head-hunter, "spearing" type hit that should be called "targeting".
That's not what this is all about though. It's about CTE and all the health issues that have driven the NFL and the NCAA the last few years. They put in this rule and the definitions to try to incentivize defenders to avoid crushing dude's brains.
The bottom line is, yes, you as a DB in particular need to pull up a little in that situation. Both instances in this game were easy calls for the officials. Both hits were with the shoulder, but both ended up in the head/neck area of a defenseless player.
Bitch about the rule all you want, I'll bitch with you. But you can't legitimately complain agout getting a targeting call on that play.
Now if you want to talk about a ludicrous targeting call.....
Devin White
REC putting in work!!
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:16 pm to flyingtexastiger
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Both instances in this game were easy calls for the officials. Both hits were with the shoulder, but both ended up in the head/neck area of a defenseless player.
The thing that I think differentiates these with people IMO is the hit by Ricks had direct helmet-to-helmet contact. Catalon's helmet came no where near the receiver's head. Both may be targeting by definition but Catalon obviously attempted to lessen the blow (and didn't run his mouth about it with the player on the ground) but still got punished the same. I agree there probably should be a rule like the Flagrant 1 or 2 calls in basketball.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:56 pm to Kester514
Yes they said in light of AR receiver Mike Woods getting right up and shaking off the illegal hit by the LSU player, they determined that the LSU receiver is soft for laying they crying like a child with the same type of hit.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:09 pm to TigerLunatik
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It's the rule that's shitty, not the call. They're gonna call any contact that's near the neck especially when the player launches. That's about as good of a tackle as a defender can make. But, it's targeting by the way the rule is written.
It's a shitty rule and a shitty call. Period.
fricking LSU fans put up billboards over an actual legit targeting call, and then turn around and claim this isn't a bad call.
Can't make this shite up.
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