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re: Did we get an explanation from the SEC Officiating on Arkansas targeting call?

Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:23 pm to
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It's a shitty rule

So, exactly as I said.
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fricking LSU fans put up billboards over an actual legit targeting call

Which I've repeated over and over again is embarrassing and stupid.
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then turn around and claim this isn't a bad call.

Can't make this shite up.

Only because you're too stupid to realize that the rule has been changed since then and a lot of people nationally have said the Devin White call was the catalyst for the change.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21783 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:41 pm to
To be fair, the hits were definitely not the same. However, in his short stint in the SEC Catalon has already been flagged for targeting multiple times so he didn't get any mercy from the referees.

The rule needs to be reviewed, but with player safety being the crux of the debate I doubt it happens. Only safe place to tackle anymore is the chest and below ...
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:56 pm to
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Only safe place to tackle anymore is the chest and below

That's what they're trying to get the players to do. They want them to turn and hit with the shoulder in the midsection which they've been calling the strike zone. They also want the defender to run through the tackle and not leave his feet.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21783 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:59 pm to
Agreed Tiger -

The problem is that in the heat of the game, players who play a little wild revert back to what they learned when younger. It's going to take reps, reps, and more reps to get that behavior to change. I don't think you will see targeting as much in the next few years, even if the rules don't change

Younger players are being taught the correct techniques before dangerous habits set in

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22551 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:12 pm to
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Only because you're too stupid to realize that the rule has been changed since then and a lot of people nationally have said the Devin White call was the catalyst for the change.


So you're claiming that the Devin White call was a catalyst for the rules being made worse?

Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:21 pm to
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a lot of people nationally have said the Devin White call was the catalyst

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you're claiming that the Devin White call was a catalyst


Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19044 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:48 pm to
I am not endorsing the rule but notice in your bottom gif that the ball is flying in a half step before contact. This by rule is a defenseless player. That is a significant part of the rule. There was not much Catalon could have done different.

Similar circumstance for Ricks ejection and it didnt help when he thug posed over the guy he laid out.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7512 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:59 pm to
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It's going to take reps, reps, and more reps to get that behavior to change. I don't think you will see targeting as much in the next few years, even if the rules don't change

Younger players are being taught the correct techniques before dangerous habits set in


You can be taught to swing a baseball bat with perfect form but that doesn’t mean you’ll be able to hit a 102 MPH fastball. When you’re playing against the best athletes in college football things move so fast that it isn’t always realistic.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42370 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 5:42 pm to
As long as you have sec officials calling it
It will always be controversy
LSU has had their share over the years and it impacted key games see Devin white
The play was a catch and first down anyway and really had no impact on game

The worst part of the rule is missing the next game
I don’t like that part of the rule
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 5:45 pm
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 5:46 pm to
Literally every school thinks the rule sucks, will it take all the ADs to march on BHam to get it overturned?
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 5:49 pm
Posted by Trumansfangs
Town & Country
Member since Sep 2018
6892 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 6:32 pm to
LSU looks like they got Birmingham on extra ca$h speed dial.

That was a poorly called game, and I've ( 5th down Colorado vs Mizzou ) seen a few.
Posted by flyingtexastiger
Southlake, TX
Member since Oct 2005
1630 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 6:33 pm to
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The thing that I think differentiates these with people IMO is the hit by Ricks had direct helmet-to-helmet contact. Catalon's helmet came no where near the receiver's head. Both may be targeting by definition


No argument. Ricks's hit was worse. Both met the definition of the rule. Both were correctly called targeting.

Change the rulebook to differentiate between "launching?spearing" and "inadvertent contact to the head/neck".
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Member since Feb 2011
57002 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 6:41 pm to
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just don’t see how this is true targeting. I actually think the defender was purposefully trying not to target by twisting his body.



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Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area


Seemed pretty clear this happened to me
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
9413 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 6:56 pm to
The whole ejection thing is the dumbest rule in college football. Well, other than going to score a TD and premature celebration and the TD taken off the board. See Brad Wing.
Posted by InwardJim
Member since Dec 2018
656 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 7:02 pm to
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That call was as bad as I have ever seen.
Posted by flyingtexastiger
Southlake, TX
Member since Oct 2005
1630 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 7:09 pm to
You gotta watch your anus when Bama is next up on the schedule!!
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22551 posts
Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:53 pm to
People nationally say all kinds of shite. You are the one who choose to quote them.

I admit I don't listen to the media like ever. But I'm curious, who the frick was claiming that shite?

While the Devin White call was IMO no where near the spirit of the rule(wasn't really malicious), it was by definition targeting.

There is nothing in this call that wasn't bullshite. And I certainly haven't heard about any rule change that could remotely make it targeting.

The refs are told to throw the flag whenever in doubt, so that part is excusable.

What isn't excusable and what hasn't been excusable many times this year is the fact that the replay booth is not fixing this and other bullshite.
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:20 pm to
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The one where the guy threw his body sideways into the receiver, they reviewed it, and still called it targeting?!
I mean, it seems like a more forceful hit to the head/neck regions than this targeting call:




But I admire the optimism to expect the SEC to explain its poor officiating calls.
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 2:21 pm
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:21 pm to
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People nationally say all kinds of shite. You are the one who choose to quote them.

I was attempting to make what you posted about Devin White relevant because it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
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I admit I don't listen to the media like ever.

This is I can definitely believe because this isn't the first time that you didn't know the rules of what was going on in college football.
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And I certainly haven't heard about any rule change that could remotely make it targeting.

Jesus Christ. From now on when someone tells you about a rule just assume you're wrong.
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Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player

ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area

A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground

Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area

Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14). When in question, a player is defenseless. Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:

A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.

A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.

LINK

So it actually satisfies two areas of the targeting rule.

The rule was changed from any contact to the helmet to forcible contact to the head or neck area. This was changed after the season that Devin White was flagged for targeting vs MSU which is what I was referring too. It was discussed as such on multiple outlets and shows on ESPN and CBS. But, now I get your response because once again you don't know the rules.

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While the Devin White call was IMO no where near the spirit of the rule(wasn't really malicious), it was by definition targeting.

Which I even agree with so this part was also dumb.
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 2:32 pm
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