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re: Curious, seeing Coach O being thrown under the bus
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:13 am to TouchdownTony
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:13 am to TouchdownTony
You hit the nail on the head there. I’ll give O one thing when it comes to HC responsibilities, he was a hell of a recruiter.
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:18 am to Whentheleveebreaks
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This question is for non LSU fans
15 out of 20 responses are from LoSerU fans
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:20 am to Buster83
Yes
But they are giving real and honest responses so my OP is wrong for only requesting non LSU fans. It was silly for me to put that anyway, of course it would be ignored which is fine.
But they are giving real and honest responses so my OP is wrong for only requesting non LSU fans. It was silly for me to put that anyway, of course it would be ignored which is fine.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:26 am to Whentheleveebreaks
Ed recruiting all that talent as well as the character of those players.
It worked for a NC, so they have to be happy about that. The character deal showed up a little later.
It worked for a NC, so they have to be happy about that. The character deal showed up a little later.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:30 am to Whentheleveebreaks
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I’m going to chuckle
You’re going to CHUCKLE ??
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:32 am to Whentheleveebreaks
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Whentheleveebreaks
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It was silly for me to put that anyway,
Are you a chic? I know that Aggies embrace the gay stereotype, but seriously who talks like this?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:35 am to Whentheleveebreaks
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By LSU fans on here. Many are stating they never liked the hire.
I was not on the rant back when he was hired by LSU.
This question is for non LSU fans.
Were there posts by them back then stating it was a bad hire? I’m just curious bc I’m not seeing any posts concerned with Kelly. Who knows how the Kelly hire will go. If it doesn’t go well, I’m going to chuckle if he starts getting similar treatment as coach O now.
No one fires Les Miles at the time just to hire Ed Orgeron. The only reason they gave it to Orgeron was LSU thought they had Jimbo on lockdown and then Jimbo pantsed them. Everyone knew Orgeron was a placeholder hire. You and me probably could have won a natty with the talent on that 2019 team, but give Eddie O the credit for doing it. It was never going to last. He was basically a Matt Luke in better circumstances.
That being said, the league is a bit less for the absence of Orgeron. He's not nearly as good a head coach as Brian Kelly is, but he's the kind of character that makes the SEC interesting.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:57 am to Whentheleveebreaks
There were many that liked him. This is normal for any fan base to trash the coach that was forced out, quit, or fired.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:10 am to Whentheleveebreaks
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But I have not seen any mention of Concern for the Kelly hire on here. Maybe there has been by a few posters stating concerns and I didn’t see the posts.
There was a little melting by some people on the coaching changes board, and would mostly claim Kelly was a "bad fit", but it was nothing compared to the Orgeron melt.
I was in the same camp as a lot of people: Lazy hire, mad about it, but whatever he's our coach now. Alleva had lost any good will he may have had by how he handled the Les fiasco at the end of 2015, then made an extremely lazy hire in O (no matter how his stint turned out, it was a very lazy hire). Then, on top of that, Alleva had some extremely arrogant remarks after he hired O. People were justifiably upset by the hire.
Alleva had both Jimbo and Herman in the bag and lost them both. He then panicked and hired a proven loser from within. I'm obviously happy how it worked out, but it was a terrible job on Alleva's part.
As far as Kelly goes, there's really not much concern. Most objective fans know this is a rebuilding year (or maybe 2), but expect him to be rolling by 2024 at the latest.
TLDR: HUGE melt when O was hired, mostly satisfied with kelly hire.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:13 am to Whentheleveebreaks
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I’m also surprised of some of the attacks on Coach O.
You don’t follow the program closely the way LSU fans do. There was so much stuff it was more than just the wins and losses. He was out of control. It was always something.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:29 am to PP7 for heisman
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Alleva had both Jimbo and Herman in the bag
Jimbo and Herman both just used LSU as leverage to get jobs at UT and A&M. It was their agent playing LSU. They were never going to LSU.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:34 am to TigerLunatik
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I've never melted harder than when Orgeron was hired.
I stayed in bed for several days.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:43 am to RT1941
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Then he handled the Covid/BLM phase oddly and seemed to have lost his focus & couldn't reel it back in as players opted out, etc.
It wasnt so much this as right after the NC he basically felt he did everything he ever needed to do and got complacent, and that culture spread quickly throughout the staff and players. Players cared less and we got the opt outs and everyone looking out for themselves. He got very lazy hiring assistants which we ended up with guys like Peetz, Pelini, etc...
He absolutely caught lightning in a bottle for the 2019 season, perfect storm of events hitting it right with a young coach hire (Brady), retaining Aranda through that year, then the personnel being absolutely insane form Burrow on down in the offense.
I think we actually would be better than we were in 2020 and 2021 if we didnt have that 2019 season, because he was doing O.K. prior to 2019, but obviously that season was on another pedestal. It was just clear after the 2019 season he basically felt accomplished and there was nothing left for him to do, not realizing you cant just sit on a NC and lose a bunch games after at a school like LSU.
So while that 2019 was his peak, it was also his downfall too.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:40 am to ipodking
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The dude won a natty, got a monster contract, then coasted on a mix of red bulls and hot blondes for two years
And if you ask him the question:
“Was it worth it?”
He’d say:
“Yeah”
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:45 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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This is normal for any fan base
I was going to say no, but I guess the coach is being fired because his production dropped off. In this case, O drove the entire program into the ground.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 12:03 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
Hated the Ed O hire and still on the fence about Kelly! Will at least give him a chance before weighing in
Posted on 4/28/22 at 12:08 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
"I am the search." - Joe Aleva
A shitty, lazy hire made by a shitty douchebag AD. Wasn't his first shitty hire, and it wasn't his last either. Then Aleva got boo'd out of the arena with all the Will Wade fiasco and was forced out. Nobody liked the hire really, but we kinda came around in 2019. We knew that he probably just caught lightning in a bottle with the Burrow/Brady combination, and this was confirmed the following year when it was obvious that O was in over his head.
A shitty, lazy hire made by a shitty douchebag AD. Wasn't his first shitty hire, and it wasn't his last either. Then Aleva got boo'd out of the arena with all the Will Wade fiasco and was forced out. Nobody liked the hire really, but we kinda came around in 2019. We knew that he probably just caught lightning in a bottle with the Burrow/Brady combination, and this was confirmed the following year when it was obvious that O was in over his head.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 12:11 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
People upset with the hire easily outnumbered people happy with the hire 10 to 1.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:24 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
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have not seen any mention of Concern for the Kelly hire on here
Before the hire there were a decent number of us who dismissed Kelly either because he was impossible to get or because he was older than an optimal hire. After the fact he was an obvious choice because Patton Oswald really loves coaches with a thick resume.
FWIW there are still some LSU fans who would have preferred Aranda as the hire because of the potential upside and youth factors - but most are well satisfied with Kelly as a professional hire who will build structure and rigor after Orgeron.
RE: Orgeron there was a legit culture and media war over him as candidate and hire. Message boards and radio hosts played major roles with several personalities lobbying for Ed just for "access" or because they wanted "one of us". The "one of us" issue was a program killer in my mind since all programs need an occasional spring cleaning. But hiring and firing on merit is reduced with relationships and identity getting in the way.
There were a fair contingent of fans including myself who thought EO was a terrible hire because he wasn't expert enough to handle defensive or offensive schemes or coaching and his maturity (public escapades) was an obvious liability.
We were frankly shocked by 2019 but as soon as the adult (Aranda) running the program left our worst concerns about EO being able to run a program materialized. Ed also became a lot less sympathetic because of his behavior. He is just a violent man without the ability to acknowledge his limitations and a jealousy of the credit others received for what he couldn't personally do.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:30 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
quote:Disappeared in 2019. Going 15 - 0 and winning a natty will do that. Reappeared in 2020.....
Were there posts by them back then stating it was a bad hire
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