re: College Football Coach Rankings: Greg McElroy releases Top 25 head coaches

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So, if Freeman and Notre Dame finish with 4 losses this year due to losing veterans, and LSU finishes with 2 losses due to having some veteran players, that makes Kelly a better coach 12 months later?

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Idk what exactly McElroy's criteria is and how much that would change it. Over the past 3 years, Marcus Freeman is 33-9 with a national championship game appearance and Brian Kelly is 29-11. Marcus Freeman is a young, up and coming head coach whereas Brian Kelly is on the back end of his career. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not hard to se why some people would think that Marcus Freeman is currently a better head coach.

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Well, Kelly and James have taken over multiple programs and turned them into winners

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You have to have just started watching football this year.

You are arguing that neither Notre Dame nor Penn State were successful prior to the current coaches. That is the dumbest thing anyone will see on the internet today.

Kelly’s winning percentage at Notre Dame: 70.2%
Notre Dame’s all time winning percentage: 73.2%

Brian Kelly made them worse.

James Franklin has done a little better.

James’ winning percentage at Penn State: 70.6%
Penn State’s all time winning percentage: 69%

To say that neither Notre Dame or Penn State had success until they arrived is asinine.

Perhaps the worst of all lists.


Kiffin behind Jeff Brohm?

Bert in front of other coaches?

Cignetti at 23?


It has to be a joke right?

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Saban won titles with stud QBs like tua or mccarron and he also won them with guys like mcelroy and coker. He wasn't a one trick pony like dabo.

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I think the game has changed a lot since then. I think a stud quarterback is needed today to win a championship. I am not talking a heisman winner, but a QB who does not turn the ball over and can get the 1st down when they need it most of the time.

I think you put Dani over kalen and Marcus.

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This is fun to talk about . What would be your top 10?

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I don't really do that kind of stuff. Kirby is obviously #1 and the rest is just hype clickbait.

Ryan Day can't beat his rival and Ohio St benefited from the DEI playoffs otherwise his arse is fired. He is 1-4 against Michigan and his only win was his 1st year meaning he's on a 4 game losing streak. Product of the school spending money, still 2 losses in the regular season.

Sark and Lanning aren't impressive to me at all. Their schools are just spending a ton of money. Sark and Lanning are 0-5 against DeBoer. Sark has like 1 good win, and that was the Alabama win in 23, the same year Saban retires.

Freeman...too young, but decent start I guess. He made it to the NC game, but sorry that's not really the accomplishment it was because of the DEI playoffs. DeBoer did more in 23, and beat Georgia as well matching the best ND win of the season(they played a weak schedule and still lost to a terrible team).

DeBoer lost to Vandy and Oklahoma last year, otherwise he is a clear #2. Maybe he will get back up there next year, I think he will but who knows. I'd still put him there since it was a transition year and I know what he was given, but those are 2 pretty big black eyes.

Dabo was a good coach, but his time has apparently passed. It was a joke that Clemson made the playoffs last year. Still, given the weak list of current coaches and lack of real accomplishments, he should probably be higher. Not because he's great, but because the list is that weak. Clemson and the ACC simply can not compete in the NIL era. But he would be as good or better than most of that list if he was at those schools spending big money....but he's not really wanted.

If I was hiring the next HC at Alabama, and I ignore how much I don't want Dabo, my order would likely be:

1. Kirby
2. DeBoer
3. Dabo
4. Freeman
5. Lanning
6. Kiffin - under the stipulation he can't use analytics to make common sense calls.

Very muddy after that, start looking at coordinators and NFL coaches if possible.

I would never want to hire Day, Franklin, Sark or Kelly from his top10. I'm not all that familiar with Brohm to have an opinion.

If someone wants to make the argument that Dabo is overrated, then the argument has to be the ultra soft ACC that he played in every year. Clemson was usually 10-20 spots in recruiting rankings over the next best team, and the conference average was probably 30-40 spots below Clemson.

By contrast anyone winning the SEC was competing against with at least half of the 10 most talented teams in the country, sometimes more - and usually all but 1 or 2 in the top 20.

So if you want to call out Dabo for anything, it's probably that. His teams never faced the gauntlet that the SEC representatives did.

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One built a program, the other inherited it

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This is Day's 6th year at Ohio State coming up. It's his program.

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If someone wants to make the argument that Dabo is overrated, then the argument has to be the ultra soft ACC that he played in every year. Clemson was usually 10-20 spots in recruiting rankings over the next best team, and the conference average was probably 30-40 spots below Clemson.

By contrast anyone winning the SEC was competing against with at least half of the 10 most talented teams in the country, sometimes more - and usually all but 1 or 2 in the top 20.

So if you want to call out Dabo for anything, it's probably that. His teams never faced the gauntlet that the SEC representatives di

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No doubt, but it's basically true for any non SEC team.

I know they have dropped off dramatically in recruiting. From top3 classes to not even in the top25 recruiting classes.

The ACC is the biggest loser from the NIL era, so it's just going to get worse. IIRC Miami was the best class and they weren't even in the top10.

Edit: Also, I think BV was a big part of Dabo's success.