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re: Coaching: Smart or Mullen?
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:31 pm to MacMan10
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:31 pm to MacMan10
Right now? Smart. He's done more at UGA than Mullen has at Florida.
We'll know more in a few years. If Mullen can't turn Florida around and win SEC Championships, he would fail miserably at UGA.
We'll know more in a few years. If Mullen can't turn Florida around and win SEC Championships, he would fail miserably at UGA.
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Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:32 pm to armtackledawg
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Mullen lost 4 last year
How many of those losses were to Kirby? 0? Wait, he beat Kirby with a crap team that loses 4 games? Dang. Well, I guess that really answers the question.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:34 pm to Hargojargo
Until Mullen is an SEC Championship coach, has taken his team to the playoffs and made it to the Championship game - Smart has clearly done better.
Fact.
Fact.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:42 pm to GoldenDawg
Smart has done better overall if you factor in recruiting.
If they had the same roster, Mullen wins 9 out of 10.
If they had the same roster, Mullen wins 9 out of 10.
This post was edited on 9/17/21 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:29 pm to MacMan10
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Not one of those guys were in the top 150 in recruiting. Toney wasn’t even top 300. Who knows where Trask was lol No credit for developing those guys. Y’all need to take off the red and black shades
His point went well over your head.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:32 pm to Hargojargo
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How many of those losses were to Kirby? 0? Wait, he beat Kirby with a crap team that loses 4 games? Dang. Well, I guess that really answers the question.
This is some stupid spin right there. Its almost as if you have no recollection of the factors that impacted that game.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:35 pm to MacMan10
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Who knows where Trask was
Trask was a 2* ranked 2,123 nationally and recruited by the likes of Florida, Houston Baptist, Lamar, and McNeese State
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:49 pm to djsdawg
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This is some stupid spin right there. Its almost as if you have no recollection of the factors that impacted that game.
What’s that? Someone have a boo boo? #1 composite talent ranking roster in college football can’t handle an injury?
My point is the logic of insulting Mullen for having four losses last year, therefore Kirby is better, is baffling. Kirby had the #1 rated roster in the country last year, and loses to a team with four losses. The same team that lost to LSU, who it feels like lost to everyone else. The question was who would win with an identical roster. Mullen wins with a much inferior roster. This is then trumpeted as proof Kirby is better. You also don’t see a problem with this? Is there lead in the water over there?
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:53 pm to Hargojargo
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What’s that? Someone have a boo boo? #1 composite talent ranking roster in college football can’t handle an injury?
OK, so you are proving my point by trying to claim it was just a single player out.
We saw Florida try to play a game like that in the bowl, and it was 55-13.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:55 pm to joshnorris14
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Trask was a 2* ranked 2,123 nationally and recruited by the likes of Florida, Houston Baptist, Lamar, and McNeese State
Wow. That’s crazy. He was so much better than Eason, Fromm, Stetson, and JT. I wonder why that is?
Posted on 9/18/21 at 12:16 am to djsdawg
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OK, so you are proving my point by trying to claim it was just a single player out.
We saw Florida try to play a game like that in the bowl, and it was 55-13.
No, you’re proving my point. They got beat down by OU, but made the #1 roster in the country in UGA look like a high school team. None of these points are in your favor for Kirby being better with an equivalent roster. All you’ve done is support that Lincoln Riley is also probably better than Kirby by the transitive property.
Injuries were the excuse in 2018 and 2019 LSU games as well. It’s always the same refrain. It’s like UGA can’t lose a game without having an injury excuse. Same shite this year against Clemson. 41 years of failure has hardened the little puppy hearts of the UGA fan. Better complain about injuries early and often so that in case you lose, it won’t hurt as bad.
I know we all complain about injuries but you can always count on Georgia fan to take it to the extreme.
Posted on 9/18/21 at 12:44 am to GoldenDawg
The ONLY reason Smart has an SEC Championship is because Auburn gave y’all the ultimate gift in the iron bowl. Please do not pretend that it’s anything other than that. We literally saw what would have happened a month later in the Natty. If Bama wins the iron bowl, Smart doesn’t win the SEC Championship, let alone get a play-off appearance. That’s not even Gator bias, that is facts.
Posted on 9/18/21 at 1:10 am to Hargojargo
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No, you’re proving my point
Your point was that UGA was only missing 1 key player, so no, the last thing I am doing is proving your point. When you are missing as many key players as UGA was, its stupid to talk about it being "the #1 roster".
The fact that the game wasnt 55-13, as it should have been if Mullen was so much better, helps my point out a lot.
Posted on 9/18/21 at 1:11 am to El Chap0
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The ONLY reason Smart has an SEC Championship is because Auburn gave y’all the ultimate gift in the iron bowl.
Untrue. 2017 Bama with only Hurts wasnt gonna beat UGA, and he wasnt gonna put hurts on the bench in early December.
Posted on 9/18/21 at 1:58 am to MacMan10
I don't know why Georgia fans get so butthurt comparing the two.
One is a great defensive coach and one is a great offensive coach.
The problem is that Kirby is a stubborn old school defensive coach living in the modern era of explosive offenses. And offensive player development and scheme have suffered because of this.
This is the only reason why most fans side with Mullen when it comes to coaching. It's not like Mullen is anymore elite at his specialty (offense) than Kirby at his (defense).
They both have great football minds but stubbornness is their downfall.
One is a great defensive coach and one is a great offensive coach.
The problem is that Kirby is a stubborn old school defensive coach living in the modern era of explosive offenses. And offensive player development and scheme have suffered because of this.
This is the only reason why most fans side with Mullen when it comes to coaching. It's not like Mullen is anymore elite at his specialty (offense) than Kirby at his (defense).
They both have great football minds but stubbornness is their downfall.
Posted on 9/18/21 at 2:48 am to MacMan10
What good is a number one ranking if it's not the final one?
Posted on 9/18/21 at 6:31 am to Rebbedup
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Mullen won big at State. Winningest coach there.
Why do non-state fans make shite up like this?
Jackie Sherrill is the winningest coach. If you are trying to argue win percentage, several coaches are better than Mullen. I would argue Allyn McKeen as he did his run in a span of 19 years.
As for the #1 ranking, that is BS for TV. Mullen finally played a good opponent and finished losing 3 of their last 4 games (none of their conference wins had fewer than 5 losses).
Posted on 9/18/21 at 6:34 am to ehidal1
Considering part of coaching at the collegiate level includes recruiting, this is the answer
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Mullen- X’s and O’s, offense, game day coaching
Kirby- CEO, PR, recruiting, program management, defense
Posted on 9/18/21 at 6:35 am to SM1010
quote:agreed
One is a great defensive coach and one is a great offensive coach.
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The problem is that Kirby is a stubborn old school defensive coach living in the modern era of explosive offenses. And offensive player development and scheme have suffered because of this.
Monken is in year 2. This doesnt apply to Georgia (who has been snakebit at the QB spot with injuries to Eason, Daniels, and early departures from Fields, Fromm, and Newman). Most of our starts from 2020 and 2021 have been by a former walkon (who is pretty damn good if he can avoid getting banged up).
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It's not like Mullen is anymore elite at his specialty (offense) than Kirby at his (defense).
They both have great football minds but stubbornness is their downfall.
I agree.
Cheers
Posted on 9/18/21 at 6:37 am to DawgCountry
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Considering part of coaching at the collegiate level includes recruiting, this is the answer
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Mullen- X’s and O’s, offense, game day coaching
Kirby- CEO, PR, recruiting, program management, defense
Correct. But defense should be listed first for kirby. He did it at bama and he is doing it at UGA. With the level of recruiting that kirby has, he may be approaching some all time great defense ranks.
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