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re: Coaching: Smart or Mullen?

Posted on 9/18/21 at 6:38 am to
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30549 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 6:38 am to
I hope Dan stays at Florida for 20 years. We won’t beat them every year but he doesn’t scare me in the least. Call him a genius all you want, he’s still Dopey Dan for a reason
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 6:41 am to
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hope Dan stays at Florida for 20 years. We won’t beat them every year but he doesn’t scare me in the least. Call him a genius all you want, he’s still Dopey Dan for a reason


Agreed.

Dan is Mark Richt. One out of five years, the players will align for a big run (dans big run was a 4 loss season u fortunately).
And with dan recruiting, that is one less big fish fighting for talent in Georgia. I love dan the ceo. Grantham is ready for another raise.
Posted by Dawgy49
North Georgia
Member since Sep 2015
4851 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 6:50 am to
Kirby is 3-1 vs Mullen

Kirby is 8-6 vs TopTen teams

Mullen is 2-20 vs Top Ten teams

Kirby is a better recruiter and a better defensive coach

Mullen is a better play caller and QB manager

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:19 am to
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Just curious for the rants opinion. If you gave each coach the same roster, who wins?



Isn't roster management and recruiting a part of coaching?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:22 am to
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How many of those losses were to Kirby? 0? Wait, he beat Kirby with a crap team that loses 4 games? Dang. Well, I guess that really answers the question.


Then he should have no trouble this year, right?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:27 am to
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Coaching and recruiting are two different things dumb dog


No it isn't! Recruiting is a part of coaching!

Tell me you knew that. When you hire a coach the coach is expected to:

Recruit
Manage roster
Manage coaches
Manage players egos
Develop game plans
Carry out game plans
and a lot of other things.

Any one of those can make or break that coaches career, and makes him a good or bad coach.

I guess your response helps to explain McIlwaine and Muschamp.
Posted by King Kirby
Member since Dec 2018
235 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:38 am to
Mullen and it’s really not that close
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:43 am to
Here is a great way to frame the question.

What questionable decisions has dan made on offense?

What questionable decisioms has kirby made on defense?

I know dan had alpaca over trask until the injury. He had wrong wrist bands against Georgia. Never ran hurry up against georgia in 2019 (despite auburn and a&m having success with it that same season).
Posted by GoldenDawg
Dawg in Exile
Member since Oct 2013
19093 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:54 am to
Kirby has a better winning percentage.
Kirby has a better record head to head.
Kirby is 4-1 in bowl games, Mullen is 7-3.
Kirby has won more SEC Championships.
Kirby has made the College Football Playoffs.
Kirby has won a College Football Playoff game.
Kirby made it to the National Championship and lost in overtime.
Currently Kirby has his team ranked #2 in the nation.

Objectively, it's not close. Kirby is the better coach.
Posted by dirty bastard
Delacroix, Georgia
Member since Aug 2020
2124 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:55 am to
Kirby
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7142 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:56 am to
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Merlin would blow Kirby out with equal talent



perhaps, but recruiting the talent is one of the most important parts of college coaching.

Posted by atlanta917
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2017
5690 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:57 am to
How is this even a question? Smart literally surpasses Mullen in year 2. Smart has more playoff wins, playoff appearances, conference titles, and division titles. Oh, he’s also 3-1 against Mullen h2h. And then there’s the fact Mullen had the worst record in ranked matchups in ncaa history with a whopping 3 wins all time against teams finishing with more than 9 wins. The talent issue is irrelevant. Recruiting is a part of being a head coach.
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7142 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:57 am to
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Kirby has a better winning percentage.
Kirby has a better record head to head.
Kirby is 4-1 in bowl games, Mullen is 7-3.
Kirby has won more SEC Championships.
Kirby has made the College Football Playoffs.
Kirby has won a College Football Playoff game.
Kirby made it to the National Championship and lost in overtime.
Currently Kirby has his team ranked #2 in the nation.


but Kirby inherited a good UGA team. Mullen coached at Mississippi State. Huge difference.
Posted by atlanta917
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2017
5690 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:01 am to
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That’s not even Gator bias, that is facts.

lol do you not know what the word bias means? It’s literally the definition of bias. Imagine being this dense…
Posted by GoldenDawg
Dawg in Exile
Member since Oct 2013
19093 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:02 am to
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but Kirby inherited a good UGA team. Mullen coached at Mississippi State. Huge difference

Now you're getting subjective.

Subjectively, Kirby inherited a mess from a coach who had been decent for a time, but let the situation get so bad UGA had to fire him. UGA was not a good team when it was handed over to Kirby, he had to fix it.

Subjectively, Mullen may be a better coach than Smart, but he hasn't proven it yet. Until he does, Smart objectively is the better coach. If Mullen wants to prove he is a better coach than Smart, he needs to start showing it through results.
Posted by atlanta917
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2017
5690 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:03 am to
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Kirby inherited a good UGA team.

Didn’t Mullen inherit a UF team that won the east 3 of the last 4 years?
This post was edited on 9/18/21 at 8:04 am
Posted by SCDawg95
Fayetteville ,NC
Member since Oct 2019
5657 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:05 am to
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Merlin would blow Kirby out with equal talent
Gus couldn’t…. And Merlin has a loosing record with equal talent dipshit
Posted by schmoo
marietta ga
Member since Jul 2017
1392 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:06 am to
I think both are great coaches, though Mullen will win with lesser talent more than Kirby
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:09 am to
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quote:
Merlin would blow Kirby out with equal talent


perhaps, but recruiting the talent is one of the most important parts of college coaching.


Maybe dan would be a better recruiter if he was in a different state?
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7142 posts
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:13 am to
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Didn’t Mullen inherit a UF team that won the east 3 of the last 4 years?




No. Googly says his first year at UF was 2018. SEC East below...

2017- UGA
2016- UF
2015- UF
2015- Missouri

UF did represent the East last year though.
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