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re: Clemson removing racist Calhoun and Tillman names from college
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Not surprised on Tillman at all - don't care what his history with Clemson is, he's toxic. I'm a little shocked it lasted this long.
Much more surprised about Calhoun.
For me it’s the other way around. Calhoun was a huge piece of shite. Why anything was ever named after him is surprising.
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Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:41 pm to paperwasp
When will Yale rename its school I wonder? Its namesake was a renowned slave trader.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:41 pm to Froman
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For me it’s the other way around. Calhoun was a huge piece of shite. Why anything was ever named after him is surprising.
Calhoun is Mother Theresa compared to Tillman.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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re: Clemson removing racist Calhoun and Tillman names from collegePosted on 6/12/20 at 1:28 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Please define racism. Who invented this word? Which group is the most racist? Is it the group that commits 85% of all interracial violence, or the one that, combined with Latinos, only commits 15% of all interracial violence, despite still being the great majority of the nation?
Which group, according to the SPLC, has the largest percentage of people in hate groups? Which group votes their racial interests election after election? Which group still practices slavery?
Some of you need to turn off the ESPN and the ball game and do some reading. Or just observe behavior, and then tell us who the biggest racists are.
Tillman openly defended lynching - going as far to say that he had helped kill blacks.
He's on a whole different level from run of the mill individuals of the 1800s who were slave owners and/or defenders of the system.
I know nothing about this Tillman guy. I am not opposed to renaming per se, but do keep in mind that lynching was rural justice for a lot of communities. They weren't usually just stringing Blacks up for the perverted fun of it, they were almost always stringing up Black men who they thought had done something wrong. Many Whites were also lynched. I am sure that many of those Black men were innocent. And I am just as sure that many of them were guilty as sin.
It was a different era with different standards of justice. Those standards were certainly tinged with prejudice.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:42 pm to Priapus
Frick you coot!
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:43 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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I know nothing about this Tillman guy.
Read about him. He deserves no honors or accolades - and that's not revisionist history. He was looked upon as evil and vile in his own time as well.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I wonder if the Clemson poster called Tillman is feeling right now
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:50 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
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I wonder if the Clemson poster called Tillman is feeling right now
He'll need to change his username to Old Main.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:55 pm to ClemsonRules
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lemsonRules
First, as a non-Clemson fan...
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Read about him. He deserves no honors or accolades - and that's not revisionist history. He was looked upon as evil and vile in his own time as well.
And? Without him, Clemson doesn't exist. And if Clemson doesn't exist, they don't have a successful football program that led to Watson and Hopkins's success. Clemson's charter was approved by the SC General Assembly by 1 vote. It passed for one reason: the Tillman faction. The year after, Tillman became governor. And again, his faction was the only reason the school was funded. Evil men can still be recognized for their important deeds. Hell Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:00 pm to paperwasp
In other words, doing something that is meaningless.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:01 pm to InGAButLoveBama
quote:A defense of lynching? Really?
I know nothing about this Tillman guy. I am not opposed to renaming per se, but do keep in mind that lynching was rural justice for a lot of communities. They weren't usually just stringing Blacks up for the perverted fun of it, they were almost always stringing up Black men who they thought had done something wrong. Many Whites were also lynched. I am sure that many of those Black men were innocent. And I am just as sure that many of them were guilty as sin.
It was a different era with different standards of justice. Those standards were certainly tinged with prejudice.
No, there was not a different standard of justice. Lynch mobs were subverting justice, and denying the accused (of whichever race) a trial. Doesn't matter whether it's white bank robbers, or a black man accused of rape. There's no defense for lynching.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:04 pm to paperwasp
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Calhoun served as the country’s seventh vice president, from 1825-1932
Are we sure he isn't still the VP?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:12 pm to SCLibertarian
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Cowardly horse shite. The damn school sits on Calhoun's old Fort Hill Estate. Tell Watson and Hopkins to put their money where their virtue-signaling mouths are and pay to move the whole damn campus if Calhoun is that offensive.
Tillman, at least, was next level evil. Don’t let liberals, who annoy me too, force you into defending scum like Tillman. That guy doesn’t deserve a porta potty named after him.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:14 pm to skrayper
Journalistic standards have gone to shite.
A lot of articles these days have terrible grammar, spelling mistakes, and obvious errors like this.
A lot of articles these days have terrible grammar, spelling mistakes, and obvious errors like this.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:37 pm to AHM21
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Welp, TigerDroppings Admin...Clemson banned Tillman, you know what to do.
You win the Rant today.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:44 pm to Carolina_Girl
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For the record, after actually READING the heritage act, I was the one that pointed out Clemson could change the name of the Honors college without approval of the State Legislature. Here's the LINK
Without fanfare, I wrote a couple of e-mails and sent them out to folks with knowledge of the issue pointing this out. I don't know if it precipitated the change, but I'd like to think so.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:47 pm to paperwasp
This has more to do with 2 bad stories on Clemson football than it does the petition. It's a PR move but also the right thing to do and long overdue.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:54 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
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I wonder if the Clemson poster called Tillman is feeling right now
Hopefully the Banhammer...
Posted on 6/12/20 at 2:57 pm to AHM21
WHITE GUILT ALERT: Watch what UVA does in the next few weeks, seems each school now wants to "one up" the next school. How does a school like the Citadel survive ? How about West Point ? They obviously produced the most White Supremacist out of any other institution according to our great current 4 star Generals 
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