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Chips are down: Alabama edition

Posted on 8/4/26 at 11:16 am
Posted by TrNabs
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 11:16 am
Why does Kalen DeBoer get so much hate?? In two years his record is 20–8, I mean not perfect at Bama but Saban was 19–8, Gene Stallings went 18–7, and I know this is sacrilege but Bear Bryant went 12–7–2.. I want Texas to be the next team coming up but I think Bama is about to make another godam run.. fkk
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Posted by NFLSU
Screwston, Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 11:18 am to
I don’t think it’s hate.

I’d feel bad for anyone who had to follow Saban.

But, losing 4 games in consecutive seasons and capping that off with a 35-point blowout where your 1st round QB failed to score a TD…

Bit of a concern.
Posted by Dawgs2122
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 11:30 am to
Because eff the Bammers
Posted by Marcelo Lavanda
Manaus, Amazonas
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 11:58 am to
I think he will be fine. I think he's done better than other recent coaches who have followed legends (in the SEC)

Bammer's chips will be up again
This post was edited on 8/4/26 at 12:00 pm
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:08 pm to
It's a tribute to both the insanely high standard that Saban set at Alabama, and the desperate hoping by fans of other schools that Bama will crater now that he's gone. Seasons that would be cause for rejoicing at basically every other program in the conference are wishcasted as failures by rivals who are secretly terrified that DeBoer might not fall flat on his face after all.
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:09 pm to
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Posted by Night Vision
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by OU Guy
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

Why does Kalen DeBoer get so much hate?? In two years his record is 20–8, I mean not perfect at Bama but Saban was 19–8,


Counterpoints:

1. Bama was 6-7 the year prior to Saban. He had to turn the program around and at a time there was no quick NIL/other insta transfer benefit.

2. BeBoer took over a great team and program who had one of the best runs in CFB under Saban. He had benefit of instant NIL/other transfers.

I see the comparisons as way different. Saban had to build his over time with classes where BeBoer had the ability to do it faster via portal plus inherited a much better team/program than Saban did.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:18 pm to
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Why does Kalen DeBoer get so much hate?? In two years his record is 20–8

It's almost exclusively from two fanbases, who in those two years:

• Are 26–24 themselves combined;
• have finished outside of the Top 25 both times;
• have two bowl appearances and one bowl win between them (out of four); and
• are 0–4 against Kalen DeBoer, having been outscored 56–117.

Both of these fanbases are also 8–29 (0.216) against Alabama over the past 18 years combined, and have fired 8 head coaches in that time, to whom they owed or still owe tens-of-millions of dollars.

What conclusions might you draw from this information?
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:18 pm to
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Bama was 6-7 the year prior to Saban.


Incorrect.

Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:25 pm to
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Why does Kalen DeBoer get so much hate??


In your vocabulary, I'm guessing there is no difference between criticism and this hate you speak of. Criticism says enough with all these foolish game plans that aren't committed to the running game. Year 3, and where can you hide? Either get a more balanced offense on the field or just recognize we aren't buying what you are selling. And never will in BAMALAND.
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Why does Kalen DeBoer get so much hate??


How Year 1 went with losses to teams Bama never loses to and How Year 2 ended with 28-7 and 38-3

Following Saban, he was going to be judged to an impossible standard. I don't think he's a particularly great coach to be ranked top 5 nationally or whatever but apparently Michigan and Penn State thought enough of his job performance in Tuscaloosa for there to be smoke and possible head coach candidate feelers - regardless of the true reasons, it got him a contract extension

Given that Ryan Grubb sucks when it comes to running the football, KD runs an effective offense generally, not my cup of tea but it has won games and that's what matters nowadays ultimately
This post was edited on 8/4/26 at 12:30 pm
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
32592 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

Bama was 6-7 the year prior to Saban.


Incorrect


Well the record books show Bama as 6-7 in 2006. I guess you can say they had wins taken away by NZAA but the reality is they were a 6-7 team he inherited.

What Saban took over was far worse than what BeBoer took over. One would expect DeBoer to have a better record thru this far in tenure. He had advantages that Saban didn’t have
Posted by Dawgs2122
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:43 pm to
Maybe, but he has some disadvantages too. Everyone can do the NIL stuff now.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

Why does Kalen DeBoer get so much hate?? In two years his record is 20–8, I mean not perfect at Bama but Saban was 19–8, Gene Stallings went 18–7, and I know this is sacrilege but Bear Bryant went 12–7–2.

I used to say this when BK was 20-7, and many of the Bammers here crucified me for it.

My, my, how the turntables.

I think both are good coaches who are/were capable of putting it together. BK never seemed to get NIL and the portal right though.
This post was edited on 8/4/26 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Jauquismos
Member since Jul 2023
1351 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

I’d feel bad for anyone who had to follow Saban.


Bama will never drop completely off. They are ALWAYS competitive. Been watching college football for a long time and they always find a way.
Posted by Frac the world
The Centennial State
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:54 pm to
I don’t hate him but I’ve got grave misgivings about his long term staying power unless he changes things

Bama is soft now, mentally and physically, but mostly mentally on both sides of the trenches.

His style of offense kind of leads to that culture. Pass pass pass and more pass

I wish he’d fire his buddy Grubb

He’s a 9-11 win coach, he’s not going to be awful but he’s not going to be absolutely elite. He’s just “fine”. I don’t think anything more or less than that.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
23712 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:55 pm to
We were 5-2 or so that year before 4 or 5 starters got suspended for getting too many textbooks.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 1:00 pm to
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suspended for getting too many textbooks

The average amount per athlete for that infraction was $199 over three years, and people were asking if Alabama should get the death penalty.

Wonder what those football rosters would be making today, combined?

Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
32592 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 1:03 pm to
And what were you the year Saban retired? He left the cupboard full in comparison to what he took over.

I can’t believe posters trying to devalue what Saban took over was worse, what he accomplished, and what he left for DeBoer just to try and support DeBoer being an equally good coach.

In my book DeBoer should have a better record at this point compared to Saban. He had/has way more advantages as well.

Its not to say DeBoer can’t do better going forward, I an only responding to the OP who compared their records and saying DeBoer is just as good thru same amount of games. No he is not in that period of comparison.
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