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re: CFB Program Rankings
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:41 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:41 pm to BHMKyle
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This is why the AP Poll is the most valuable tool in ranking programs
quote:the ap poll has been NOTORIOUSLY BAD at ranking teams merely because of the name on the jersey. they would NEVER let a better team jump a team ranked higher if the higher ranked team barely scraped by *insert directional school here*. it got so bad, the bcs was created.
Voters typically reward teams for playing difficult schedules while penalizing teams for playing easy ones.
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:55 pm to BHMKyle
Nice work, but I have a question on this portion of what you said:
So under this scenario, in 2003 you would give USC the same amount of points as you would LSU? Then in a year where the team is undisputed, say LSU in 2007, would you give that team both sets of points? If not, then it seems like you are skewing the scale in certain years with added points.
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Lastly, if a team was awarded the UPI/Coaches' National Title during a year in which the AP Champion was different, they too receive the full 75 points multiplied by the time factor.
So under this scenario, in 2003 you would give USC the same amount of points as you would LSU? Then in a year where the team is undisputed, say LSU in 2007, would you give that team both sets of points? If not, then it seems like you are skewing the scale in certain years with added points.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:59 pm to bfniii
AP Poll is also susceptible to having their rankings influenced by erroneous preseason rankings. It's far from a perfect measuring stick but in college football there really isn't one; even if you measure by conference titles, total wins, etc you're going to get a lot of subjectivity injected in the rankings because of the fluctuation in how competitive conferences were, team SOS, advent of new offensive and defensive schemes, increased number of regular season and bowl games, the BCS, the CPF, etc. Too many variables to account for
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:02 pm to tylerdurden24
A 61 person poll sure beats a 12-13 person committee.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:42 pm to Korin
Good, well thought out stuff per usual Kyle
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:12 pm to BHMKyle
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Then you come up with your own system, genius.
Something like this:
75, 50, 45, 40, 35
32, 29, 26, 23, 20
18, 16, 14, 12, 11
6-10
1-5
While its far from perfect, this at least attempts to fix the major flaw yours presented. Of course, it makes it more time consuming for one to calculate, so I would never expect it to be done.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:09 pm to DaronTexas
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They aren't bluebloods but all have more all time wins and a more recent title championship than uga. Lol. Yall lettin yall recent success get to y'all head.
We aren’t a blue blood program either. Outside of Alabama the res of CFB is about the same.
There are probably 35 programs that wouldn’t shock the nation if they won a national title. Then thre are probably 60 teams that could, on paper, do so......but most would shock everyone if they did so. Then there are programs where it is simply inconceivable.
UGA is among the 35 as is Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska. The only program in the nation where it is shocking NOT to be in the hunt is Alabama.....and they have been in that position more than a couple of times. I am not an Alabama fan....in fact I am quickly becoming nearly as anti - bama as I am anti Georgia Tech......they have kept us from winning 2 titles in 5 years. It is simply crazy to claim that 7 - 8 titles spread over 100+ years is the same as the current run Alabama is on....and it ain’t the first time they’ve done it. I don’t like Alabama but they are the bar that everyone is trying to reach as far as national titles go.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:36 pm to bigDgator
There goes a gator pissing and moaning about FSU and Miami again to cover for their ineptitude. Bitch about Miami’s schedule, yet you are scared to play them on a regular basis!
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:38 am to germandawg
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There are probably 35 programs that wouldn’t shock the nation if they won a national title
Can't agree with this. Right now, there are maybe 10-12 programs with a legitimate shot. Just look at who's made the playoffs for the last four years. It's mostly the same teams. There are a lot fewer haves than have nots in college football.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:17 am to BHMKyle
Good job, looks good to me. National titles should count for more, Georgia is lacking.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:34 am to VABuckeye
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Can't agree with this. Right now, there are maybe 10-12 programs with a legitimate shot.
While I think 35 is an exaggeration, its more than you realize. If you look at the Top 6 in the CFPR heading into the final week of play the past 4 seasons, there have been 15 different programs appear in that Top 6.... most if not all of those had a legit shot of making the playoff with one week to play.
Since the sample size is small, carry it back to the old BCS rankings and look at the Top 6 each year with one week left to play.... if you go back to 2010, there have been 24 different teams appear in the Top 6.
Albeit, just 6 of those 24 account for half of the 48 appearances.... Alabama (7), Ohio State (5), Clemson (3), Auburn (3) Wisconsin (3), and Oregon (3).
Surprisingly, Oklahoma is not in that group. They've appeared in the Top 6 with a week to play just twice during the last 8 seasons.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:22 am to BHMKyle
nice work on the formula. good job
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:05 am to bamasgot13
I kind of think the “finish #1” points boost is far too heavily weighted over finishing 2nd.
For example, teams like 2011 and 2017 Alabama that finished 2nd in the West and were voted into the postseason get 75 points, while an undefeated SEC champion 2004 Auburn gets 24 points.
Nobody in their right mind would argue those Bama teams had better overall seasons or were better teams than that 2004 squad that did absolutely everything it could and wasn’t given a shot.
For example, teams like 2011 and 2017 Alabama that finished 2nd in the West and were voted into the postseason get 75 points, while an undefeated SEC champion 2004 Auburn gets 24 points.
Nobody in their right mind would argue those Bama teams had better overall seasons or were better teams than that 2004 squad that did absolutely everything it could and wasn’t given a shot.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:09 am to Korin
quote:given what i've read, i disagree. those people can't possibly watch every game, know every team, etc. i think that's why the committee relying on things like sos and other metrics help to balance that out.
A 61 person poll sure beats a 12-13 person committee
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:54 am to aufbfan
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For example, teams like 2011 and 2017 Alabama that finished 2nd in the West and were voted into the postseason get 75 points, while an undefeated SEC champion 2004 Auburn gets 24 points.
Nobody in their right mind would argue those Bama teams had better overall seasons or were better teams than that 2004 squad that did absolutely everything it could and wasn’t given a shot.
Yeah but this is a ranking of program accomplishment / program prestige.
The fact of the matter is that Alabama's 2011 and 2017 teams won National Titles.... unfortunately for Auburn, their 2004 team got screwed.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:06 pm to aufbfan
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For example, teams like 2011 and 2017 Alabama that finished 2nd in the West and were voted into the postseason get 75 points,
They didn't get 75 points for making it to title game tho. They got the 75 points for beating the previous #1 LSU team by 21 in 2011, and for beating the #1 and #2 teams in the country in 2017.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:10 pm to bamasgot13
quote:You are right, but I see where the auburn fan is coming from
They didn't get 75 points for making it to title game tho. They got the 75 points for beating the previous #1 LSU team by 21 in 2011, and for beating the #1 and #2 teams in the country in 2017.
His undefeated team didnt even get the opportunity to get those points
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:31 pm to lsupride87
Maybe his undefeated Auburn team shouldn't have refused to play an AQ OOC.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:31 pm to BHMKyle
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THE REST OF THE ELITE:
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11. LSU- 577
I thought we started football in 2000?
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:35 pm to Korin
quote:It would have made zero difference
Maybe his undefeated Auburn team shouldn't have refused to play an AQ OOC.
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