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re: Cecil Interview
Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:43 am to LSUdm21
Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:43 am to LSUdm21
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Then why would the NCAA allow this to be said by one of it's own?
Since you seemed to have missed what the actual NCAA President said, even though it's been posted plenty of times on here, I'll quote it again for you.
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"We try hard to get it right every time," Emmert said. "Getting it right is often in the eye of the beholder. The cases we saw this fall were highly controversial and highly debatable. I understand that, and some of them were even enormously frustrating to me.
"I said very loud and clear that I think it's absolutely a fundamentally wrong for a father to try to sell the services of his son or daughter to the highest bidder, to a university. We ought never to allow that to happen, but yet, having not anticipated that, we didn't have any rule or structure that said it was a violation of any of our rules. I found that grossly inappropriate that didn't have a structure in which we could say, 'No, you can't do that.'
"There was no evidence that money had changed hands and there was no evidence that Auburn University had anything to do with it. We would up making a decision that felt to many people morally objectionable, but that fit the facts and the circumstances.
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Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:44 am to MattP598
Eff it. I don't care anymore. 
This post was edited on 7/1/11 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:46 am to LSUdm21
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LSUdm21
Loophole of Cam not knowing? They already said Cam could have known, but it still wouldn't matter.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:50 am to diddydirtyAubie
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Loophole of Cam not knowing? They already said Cam could have known, but it still wouldn't matter.
Who is they? The NCAA never said that.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:52 am to auburntiger77
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He said the NCAA has the truth, the truth is Cam received no money. When you take what our compliance person, Jay Jacobs, and Gene Chizik have all said, then I believe it is an indication that Auburn is clean. There is just too much talk to believe otherwise.
That's not what Cecil said though, is it?
This interview was the perfect platform for Cecil to state his and Cam's side of the story and once and for all proclaim their innocence. The NCAA has no jurisdiction over the Newton's, yet Cecil chose to skirt the issues again. Why?
Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:56 am to joeyb147
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"We try hard to get it right every time," Emmert said. "Getting it right is often in the eye of the beholder. The cases we saw this fall were highly controversial and highly debatable. I understand that, and some of them were even enormously frustrating to me.
"I said very loud and clear that I think it's absolutely a fundamentally wrong for a father to try to sell the services of his son or daughter to the highest bidder, to a university. We ought never to allow that to happen, but yet, having not anticipated that, we didn't have any rule or structure that said it was a violation of any of our rules. I found that grossly inappropriate that didn't have a structure in which we could say, 'No, you can't do that.'
"There was no evidence that money had changed hands and there was no evidence that Auburn University had anything to do with it. We would up making a decision that felt to many people morally objectionable, but that fit the facts and the circumstances.
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Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:58 am to crimsonsaint
quote:Yeah they did.
Who is they? The NCAA never said that.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:07 am to auburntiger77
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Remember there is a loophole, the NCAA does NOT have a rule against solicitation... Maybe that is part of it.
'77
Bottom line ~ "IF" Cecil solicited AU (and he never said he didn't) then you got somebody from the AU camp doing the biddin.
You better hope like hell it ain't men like MSU had ----->Rogers/Bonds/Bell.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:11 am to WDE24
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Yeah they did.
Silly Bammers keep hanging their hat on that "Cam knew" when it really didn't matter.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:13 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Someone should tell him to shhhh and have someone help him write a book later...
How to Get the Man to Show You Da Money, by Cecil Collins
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:17 am to LSUdm21
I'll be so glad when the season starts and we can talk about actual games. I'd like to completely forget the Newton family. If they are special to Auburn, then so be it, and let them believe all that they say. The rest of us don't believe them, but there is nothing that can be done about it, so let's not give them one more minute of our time talking about them. Their true moral characteristics will come out sooner or later and the entire country will see what kind of people the Newtons are. If they turn out to be upstanding citizens then so be it, but people don't change that fast, and Cam Newton didn't suddenly get a conscience when he went to Auburn.
He didn't forget how to steal laptops or cheat on school projects. He just didn't have to do that at Auburn.
It is only my belief, but I think that Cam Newton will get in trouble with the law(not seriously) within 2 years in the NFL, because he is so used to people covering up for him, and he's an adult now and these things won't be covered up.
Cecil is depending on Cam to be the cash cow, so let's see how he handles the money.
He didn't forget how to steal laptops or cheat on school projects. He just didn't have to do that at Auburn.
It is only my belief, but I think that Cam Newton will get in trouble with the law(not seriously) within 2 years in the NFL, because he is so used to people covering up for him, and he's an adult now and these things won't be covered up.
Cecil is depending on Cam to be the cash cow, so let's see how he handles the money.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:17 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Cecil is a preacher. Lies and obfuscation are his bread and butter.
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Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you BELIEVE it.
George Costanza
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:18 am to diddydirtyAubie
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Silly Bammers keep hanging their hat on that "Cam knew" when it really didn't matter.
Eventually the NCAA will make a random decision that either clears or screws you.
They'll have another similar case on the table and rule the exact opposite direction with reasons that contradict the first ruling.
Then we'll all have something to complain about and it will keep message board owners in business.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:18 am to crimsonsaint
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Who is they? The NCAA never said that.
Do you just post like random stuff and hope it's true?
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:22 am to crimsonsaint
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Who is they? The NCAA never said that.
I looked it up for you:
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Roe Lach said whether an athlete knows of someone else taking an extra benefit has never been a violation and was "the most misunderstood issue surrounding the Cam Newton case." Added Emmert: "There's no evidence money ever changed hands. It was just solicitation, an unsuccessful solicitation."
LINK
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:23 am to RT1941
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'77
Bottom line ~ "IF" Cecil solicited AU (and he never said he didn't) then you got somebody from the AU camp doing the biddin.
You better hope like hell it ain't men like MSU had ----->Rogers/Bonds/Bell.
Why 41???? I am not convinced that solicitation is a NCAA offense, having an agent (Rogers, see below) and receiving benefits (see Julio, Ingram, JH, Marcel to name a few) is against the rules, but not just asking for something (I know there is one quote from one person at the NCAA)..
But lets look at what is coming out from our compliance director...
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But in his office at the Auburn Football Complex, Rich McGlynn wasn’t in a celebratory mood. After weeks of fighting to keep star quarterback Cam Newton on the field, McGlynn was writing a letter he’d hoped not to write. The NCAA had reached the conclusion that Mississippi State booster Kenny Rogers acted as a scholarship agent for Newton when Newton was being recruited out of Blinn College. It had recommended that Newton, the frontrunner for the Heisman Trophy, be declared ineligible.
McGlynn, Auburn’s senior associate athletics director in charge of compliance, didn’t agree with that decision. But it was up to him to make it official by writing a letter to the NCAA and informing Newton and Auburn’s football coaches.
“When that advice came from the NCAA, he was declared ineligible,” McGlynn said in an exclusive interview with AuburnUndercover.com. “You want to talk about a difficult letter to write? I wrote that letter because it becomes an institutional decision. Although I disagreed that he had a scholarship agent, I understood the decision because of the intent behind the rule. But writing that letter, stating he was ineligible, around here, at Auburn, that was no fun.”
Newton, who had been under intense scrutiny since early November, had his eligibility restored less than 24 hours later and went on to lead Auburn to the national championship and win virtually every major award available to him.
Even as he wrote the letter, McGlynn believed Newton’s eligibility would be restored because he was convinced that Newton had done nothing wrong. But he says there was no guarantee, no agreement. All he could do was submit an appeal requesting reinstatement and hope the NCAA saw it the same way.
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Again, solicitation is not a problem, the NCAA had a probem with Rogers acting as an AGENT with MSU.. Remember Rogers, Bond and Bell said this did not involve Auburn. Cecil was NOT declared an Agent of Cams (you can argue he should have been) Why is that so hard for you guys to understand. As Chizik said from the beginning "Cam Newton is eligible at AUBURN UNIVERSITY" you guys have denied that the NCAA told Auburn to declare Cam ineligible (Fail),you guys stated there was a deal in place (Fail).. Now show me the NCAA rule (not the SEC bylaw) that says you can not ask for anything...
Remember Slive said on Fbaum, if that were the case he would have been forced to rule Ingram, Harris, Julio and Darius ineligible...
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:23 am to WDE24
BOOM
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Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:28 am to WDE24
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Added Emmert: "There's no evidence money ever changed hands. It was just solicitation, an unsuccessful solicitation."
The only thing I want to know is what made the Newtons decide to send Cam to AU free of charge if Cecil was so hell bent on getting money for his services? Did he do it just to say "frick MSU" for not giving him the money? I hope shite comes out a few years down the line. It really is a fascinating situation.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:30 am to LSUdm21
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The only thing I want to know is what made the Newtons decide to send Cam to AU free of charge if Cecil was so hell bent on getting money for his services? Did he do it just to say "frick MSU" for not giving him the money? I hope shite comes out a few years down the line. It really is a fascinating situation.
Cuz MSU is a shitty football school. So it was gonna take some cash for Cecil to send his son to that dump.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 10:31 am to WDE24
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Roe Lach said whether an athlete knows of someone else taking an extra benefit has never been a violation and was "the most misunderstood issue surrounding the Cam Newton case." Added Emmert:
boom!
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