re: Case study on punishing the SEC Champ game loser

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UGA got shut out three times after SECCG losses

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It was in a 4 team model not a 12 team model.

Math must be hard to understand for you?

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Numbers are not your forte. As of right now, the top 11 plus BYU would make the playoffs

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Umm, no

Tenn is currently 11 and out of the playoffs

Numbers clearly are tough for you

That’s the problem for bama

A 3 loss game will have to stay ahead of a 2 loss Tennessee that beat them. Good luck with that

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Literally nobody has said this retard. Bama losing in the SEC Championship game is going to at minimum make them have to travel instead of hosting in the first round. That's the punishment in a 12 team model. Do you understand the difference in 4 and 12 teams and how 12 gives you more leeway and also more teams? This is basic fricking math.

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Yes

Basic math. Basic math is 3>2

And that’s how many losses bama would have compared to Tennessee. A Tennessee team that beat them

It would have been much better for bama for the rankings to be 10. Tenn and 11. UGA

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It would have been much better for bama for the rankings

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Committee has made it clear to anyone with an IQ above 80 that Bama is going to be the highest rated 2 loss team. Why would that change if they hypothetically have 3 losses one of which was an extra game that Tennessee and Georgia did not even play in? Nobody is saying Bama will not drop one single spot for losing the SEC Championship. They absolutely will drop but it's not likely to be out of the parameters to make a 12 team playoff. I suppose if Bama loses like 56-7 they would and in that scenario would not deserve to be in a playoff period. A loss within the margin of point spread for the game is not going to be a huge killer in a 12 team playoff. 4 team playoff? Absolutely. That's the beauty of the 12 team playoff. In a 4 team playoff one regular season loss was a killer basically. Not so with 12 teams. Sorry LSU is having such a bad season but its no reason to be this stupid.

All that matters is bama vs Tenn. Nothing else does

A 3 loss bama vs a 2 loss Tenn that beat them

There is no way you truly feel confident they take bama there. Nothing ever in the entirety of the commitee shows they would

For bama to have any chance to absorb a loss and still make it they need Tenn to move up before the final weekend

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You need to be 10th at worst to make the playoff this year likely Possibly 9th

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In order for that to happen, only 9 of the top 12 making the playoff, you would need three of the five conference champions to be ranked outside the top 12. That is just not going to happen.

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All that matters is bama vs Tenn. Nothing else does

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Vanderbilt and Diego Pavia disagree with this.

There is a LOT of football left to be played. You are way too early to claim Alabama is hosed and won’t make the playoffs.

But keep doing it, most all LSU’s fans predictions related to Alabama have been completely wrong this year.

i follow you man. Just let people have their hope.

The whole premise of this invitational tournament is a farce and passing it off as a playoff is a bad joke.

So yes absolutely you lose the conference championship game and it gives you a third loss it should eliminate you. As a two loss team you were marginal to begin with so it’s not an issue.

The three examples are interesting when broken down:

2017 Auburn:

Went into the SECCG #2 in the playoff rankings despite having 2 losses (the wins over UGA and Alabama bolstering them immensely).
Auburn then lost to UGA, giving them a third loss. Alabama sits at #5 while waiting for the outcome.

Auburn loses by 21 points and drops; Alabama would likely still be at #5 (Georgia essentially jumps into the area vacated by the Auburn loss); however, Wisconsin, undefeated going into the B1G title game, loses a close one to Ohio State. The committee, stuck between a 1-loss Wisconsin (but title game loss), a 1-loss Alabama, or a 2-loss but conference champ Ohio State, picks Alabama - who goes on to win the national championship. Did they pick the right one?


In 2018 Georgia goes into the SECCG ranked #4 in the playoff polls and loses; Oklahoma, ranked #5, goes into their title game and wins. OU has 1 loss to UGA's 2. I don't think skipping the SEC title game would keep an 11-1 UGA over a 12-1 OU.

In 2023 Georgia goes into the SECCG undefeated and #1 in the playoff polls. They lose a close game against Alabama, leaving both at 12-1. Georgia drops to 6th, behind #5 FSU (who felt snubbed at 13-0).


Of these 3 examples, it's clear that 2023 absolutely, 100% cost UGA a bid. In an expanded playoff, UGA is still in.

In 2018 losing the game cost UGA the bid, but simply not playing it would likely also have cost UGA the bid. They, too, are in an expanded playoff.

In 2017 Auburn lost the chance at a playoff bid as well, considering they were #2 - but with two losses, it's possible the committee has Ohio State (11-2, B1G title game winners) and Oklahoma (12-1) jump over an Auburn who sat home at 10-2. Then the debate would be if Wisconsin (12-1, loss in the title game) would be more deserving than a 10-2 Auburn who sat out a conference title game. Auburn is still likely in with an expanded playoff.

There are also other examples:

The 1994, 2008, 2009, and 2012 SEC CGs cost teams a potential shot at the national championship (and all 4 examples would have been in some form of playoff):

1994 Alabama goes into the game 11-0. It's unlikely they get a shot at a title as both Nebraska and Penn State went into the bowl slate undefeated (and both won those games as well), but it's theoretically possible. Doesn't make a 4-team playoff, does make an expanded playoff.

In 2008 Alabama, 12-0, loses to Florida in the SECCG. If they win, they play for the national title. Makes a 4 team playoff.

In 2009 Florida, 12-0, loses to Alabama in the SECCG. If they win, they play for the national title. Makes a 4 team playoff.

In 2012 Georgia, 11-1, loses to Alabama in the SECCG. If they win, they play for the national title. Makes an 8 team playoff.


Keep in mind I'm not claiming that any of these teams are definitely going to win if they make it (2012 Georgia would have though, and I think 2009 Florida has a really good chance at beating Texas), but it does show that the SECCG has cost a lot of teams a shot at a title, not just recently.

I guess the question is:

Is that okay? Should that still be the case for a 12 team playoff?