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re: Can the best High School teams beat/hold their own against the worst College Teams?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:16 pm to Tridentds
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:16 pm to Tridentds
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I’ll take worst college team and give 25 points to the all star high school team comprised of the best 22 players in all 50 states for $10,000.
So, you think a team of 5 star HS players would lose by 25 to, say, McMurry or Bowdoin, or Maine Marine?
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Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:17 pm to NYCAuburn
correct. BUT how is that Mount Unions fault? .They put guys in the NFL ( Pierre Garcon ,Cecil Shorts to name a couple) .
And John Carroll is pretty good in football .They will finish 2nd behind MU in most yrs .Baldwin Wallace isnt bad either ,..But out side of those 3 , the rest of the league would lose alot to good big school high school programs
And John Carroll is pretty good in football .They will finish 2nd behind MU in most yrs .Baldwin Wallace isnt bad either ,..But out side of those 3 , the rest of the league would lose alot to good big school high school programs
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Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:48 pm to skrayper
I played D1 baseball for 2 years in college. Despite being 1st team all district at a 5A high school in Texas, I barely made the team as a non-scolarship player. We had a ton of All-State and All-District players get cut.
The gulf between High School and college is hard to imagine unless you experience it.
The gulf between High School and college is hard to imagine unless you experience it.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 4:06 pm to skrayper
There was a video series where a D3 school went and played a top notch high school for practice. D3 drubbed them. College players are very good at every level and most every school. Nobody is a hero derp.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 4:13 pm to LovetheLord
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There was a video series where a D3 school went and played a top notch high school for practice
Who and when?
What "video series" was this?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 4:38 pm to RD Dawg
No they could not. Even at schools like IMG that are not allowed to compete for state championship games do to recruiting and scholarships to play sports are still filled with non scholarship players. IMG 2020 football seniors only 13 out of 36 got D1 scholarships with another 6 at lower divisions. At least at this time according to the school website. IMG's team has 92 players on it. Some of the students their parents pay a lot of money just at a chance they can play.
Like some earlier mentioned the maturity level between highschool and college age kids is tremendous. Sort of along the lines of when we hear of a 12 year girl smoking all the boys pitching in little league. Four years later she tries pitching highschool and the boys have finally hit maturity and ding the hell out of her pitches. Now the US boys U17 national soccer team beat the latest Women's world cup champions just a couple months before the world cup.
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Like some earlier mentioned the maturity level between highschool and college age kids is tremendous. Sort of along the lines of when we hear of a 12 year girl smoking all the boys pitching in little league. Four years later she tries pitching highschool and the boys have finally hit maturity and ding the hell out of her pitches. Now the US boys U17 national soccer team beat the latest Women's world cup champions just a couple months before the world cup.
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Posted on 1/28/21 at 4:44 pm to GobyGator
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In the class of 2019, the 23 IMG players with 247Sports Composite ratings would comprise a top-15 signing class if they all went to the same school, which signed nobody else.
According to 247’s class calculator, those players would give a college class a Composite score of 260.75. That’d slot them just behind Auburn at No. 13 nationally on the verge of Signing Day. Depending on what Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Tennessee do, the fictional IMG class could fall a little bit, but it would still likely fall in the top 15.
As good as this class is, IMG’s produced better classes recently.
The 2017 IMG class was even more absurd, with a 276.92 Composite score that would’ve placed it eighth in the rankings. The class of 2018’s 278.42 would have been ninth.
In 2018, Florida was home to 53 recruits rated 4- or 5-stars across the country. Of those 53, an incredible 13 were on the spring roster at IMG Academy. That’s right, almost one quarter of the blue-chip recruits in the most talent-rich state in the union wore identical high school uniforms.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 4:53 pm to GobyGator
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Now the US boys U17 national soccer team beat the latest Women's world cup champions just a couple months before the world cup.
I agree with a lot of the sentiments - I was simply asking the question, because I find thought experiments interesting.
That said, I'd take ANY "kids beat adults" story with a grain of salt, because it's unlikely the adults are trying their hardest vs the kids. If a team composed of MLB players lost to a high school team, I would bet money if you tuned in those guys were barely trying. I mean, what's the point of blowing by a 16 year old with a 100 mph fastball? You ain't gonna feel good about it.
Yeah, even Dallas removed a reference to that (the kids team) because it was a friendly kick-about, and it was right before their match against Russia, but was being twisted with a lot of folks removing the words "scrimmage" and "friendly".
It's like saying, "Yeah, the Cowboys would destroy Alabama" then seeing the Cowboys chilling, barely trying, and knowing they have a game against Kansas City in 4 hours and then when they lose saying, "LOL! The Cowboys suck!"
Posted on 1/28/21 at 5:34 pm to skrayper
No. Just like college teams would get crushed by NFL squads.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 5:56 pm to GobyGator
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No they could not.
Not what?
Beat a D III school?
IMG would crush any D III school they played and BTW how many Juniors on IMG have P5 offers?
I will say those numbers seem low for IMB.
Both Grayson (2nd nationally) and Marietta HS had more seniors get D1 offers.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:11 pm to RD Dawg
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IMG would crush any D III school they played
Yeah if we are dropping the bar to d3, to a school like img, where all players are recruited to go there, would destroy a d3. There are no scholarships in d3. Most players are just gym rats or al bundys. This is speaking from first hand knowledge with family. Several d3ers in my family. Several fcs in my wife’s as well as two d1s. There is a significant difference in the d3 to fcs caliber even.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:11 pm to RD Dawg
Under your scenario, it isn’t impossible for a 22 year old to lineup against a 14 year old, who barely musters up some peach fuzz on his chin.
What do you think will happen?
What do you think will happen?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:17 pm to GentleJackJones
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Under your scenario, it isn’t impossible for a 22 year old to lineup against a 14 year old,
Who is 14?
Do I think 16,17 and 18 year olds with multiple P5 offers could beat 22 year olds
with ZERO D1 or DII offers?
Yes.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:23 pm to RD Dawg
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Who is 14?
Yeah unless its like a 14 yo Dylan Moses they aren’t starting at img.
I went to high school with 3 first round draft picks, one was a kicker though. The other two both started as freshman in hs from a bigger hs program in my home state. But no where near an img caliber team
ETA kicker was second round
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:42 pm to skrayper
IMG could probably compete, but I'm not even sure they could win. Still, you're basically talking about a high school all star team that isn't even eligible to go to the playoffs or win a title in Florida. A better comparison would be if the high school national champion could beat the worst college team.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:42 pm to NYCAuburn
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went to high school with 3 first round draft picks, one was a kicker though
Wow.I would hope you guys at least made it to the state championship game. Pretty damn impressive
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The other two both started as freshman in hs from a bigger hs program in my home state. But no where near an img caliber team
I watched Grayson HS this year and Marietta last year.Just amazing how big, fast and well coached those teams were.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:55 pm to RD Dawg
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Wow.I would hope you guys at least made it to the state championship game. Pretty damn impressive
One left for private school sophomore year. We had a good team, always a decent team which happens with a school of over 5k students. But no championship.
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watched Grayson HS this year and Marietta last year.Just amazing how big, fast and well coached those teams were.
Img is on a different level talent wise from those but don’t have the cohesiveness like those ga schools with many players having been together for years.
Going to eta my post. Kicker went second round. For some reason I thought he was first.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:09 pm to skrayper
I think there are probably a few stud high school teams loaded with D-1 talent that could beat the worst Ivy League teams, where players have no athletic scholarships and football isn't the most important thing to them.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:15 pm to RD Dawg
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The best HS programs would crush DIII schools.
Skill positions would be a huge mismatch.
Agreed. I have a hard time imagining a DIII school stopping a high-school age Derrick Henry. That's just one example.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:42 pm to BamaGradinTn
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where players have no athletic scholarships and football isn't the most important thing to them.
No scholarships per se but they do have generous financial aid packages that they "offer" to prospective athletes and sometimes it actually provides more aid than a D1 full ride.
Point being that it's not like these guys show up for school and decide to walk on.
I think the Ivies are on par with the rest of FCS schools.Too bad they aren't allowed to go to the playoffs so we can see if they are.
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