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re: Can a Team Win a National Championship with a “Game Manager” at Quarterback?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:18 am to captdalton
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:18 am to captdalton
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Can a Team Win a National Championship with a “Game Manager” at Quarterback?
Yes it depends heavily on your defense and your ability to run the ball.
Not exactly rocket science
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:19 am to captdalton
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There have been a lot of national championships won by quarterbacks that never sniffed the NFL. But that seems like a long time ago. College football has trended after the NFL where ultimately a team’s success is tied to the quarterback position.
Do you think it is still possible to win a national championship with a “game manager” QB?
I don't think most modern day college offenses are built with a game manager in mind anymore.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:20 am to SemperFiDawg
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I wouldn't say Stetson Bennett was a game manager. He wasn't your prototypical NFL QB for sure, but in addition to a good arm, great mobility, and decision making he had that "it" factor that allowed him to put the team on his back and will them to victory. I would take another like him each and every time.
Stetson Bennett was not a game manager in 2022. Game managers don't throw for 275/game.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:21 am to captdalton
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My definition of a “game manager” is a quarterback who goes undrafted. A
That's a stupid definition.
A game manager QB is one who is not a dynamic player but who protects the ball and doesn't make mistakes. Think Greg McElroy in 2009.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:23 am to captdalton
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When I think game manager I am thinking more along the lines of a Chris Leak or Jay Barker.
Right. Whether they're an NFL player is irrelevant. A game manager is more of a system than a player.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:23 am to captdalton
To win a title, a team either needs a good level of overall talent with an elite QB, or an elite level of overall talent with a good QB.
Most teams have done it the first way. But in a few of the Bama and UGA years recently (or the older LSU titles) they did it the second way.
So you can win with a game manager, but you need to be elite talent wise at most other positions to make up for it.
Most teams have done it the first way. But in a few of the Bama and UGA years recently (or the older LSU titles) they did it the second way.
So you can win with a game manager, but you need to be elite talent wise at most other positions to make up for it.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:24 am to Basura Blanco
Beck looks bad now because he lost Bowers who bailed him out a lot.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:25 am to SEC Doctor
Barrett got hurt and Cardale Jones won the NC... but he also didn't sniff NFL success so...
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:29 am to captdalton
The bigger hurdle with this question might be having a title-contending program recruit and start a QB that isn’t draftable. Stetson Bennett was drafted even without prototypical physical traits.
With the NFL being more open-minded about the physical attributes of QBs (especially height), it seems unlikely to me that a national championship QB wouldn’t be drafted unless they had a career ending injury.
With the NFL being more open-minded about the physical attributes of QBs (especially height), it seems unlikely to me that a national championship QB wouldn’t be drafted unless they had a career ending injury.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:32 am to Tornado Alley
It is a very unambiguous definition. As this thread has shown, “game manager” is probably a dumb term. Everyone has a different idea of what it means. That is why I said later
I think in this new 12 team playoff format, it is going to be very hard to win a national championship without a dynamic, top level playmaker at QB. To win a national championship, a team will have to win 3 or 4 games against top level teams. I think to win it all a team will have to have a quarterback that can make plays and not give the ball to the opponent. It is going to be much like the NFL where you can eliminate half the teams at the start just based on who their QB is. Maybe I am wrong, but the new playoffs will largely be the QB playoffs.
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Instead of saying “game manager”, lets say a potential NFL level QB
I think in this new 12 team playoff format, it is going to be very hard to win a national championship without a dynamic, top level playmaker at QB. To win a national championship, a team will have to win 3 or 4 games against top level teams. I think to win it all a team will have to have a quarterback that can make plays and not give the ball to the opponent. It is going to be much like the NFL where you can eliminate half the teams at the start just based on who their QB is. Maybe I am wrong, but the new playoffs will largely be the QB playoffs.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:35 am to WaterLink
Bennett was more than a game manager. He was a pretty damn dynamic player. Dude ate nails for breakfast.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:35 am to captdalton
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Do you think it is still possible to win a national championship with a “game manager” QB?
Yes. I mentioned this on the score board in some thread this weekend. Give me someone like AJ McCarron, Greg McElroy etc over Milroe. When Milroe can run the ball it opens up the passing game for him to make huge plays, but we saw against Tennessee and Oklahoma that if you limit his legs, he plays like crap and makes costly turnovers. Multiple interceptions in both games, and very limited as a runner in both games. I would rather have someone able to move the ball down the field slowly than someone who throws interceptions.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:38 am to captdalton
Bennet was just good I wouldn’t call him a “game manager” honestly it’s a dumb term to begin with
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:41 am to captdalton
Matt Mauck
Matt Flynn
Matt Flynn
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:46 am to captdalton
Yes it can be done, if the 2001 canes played in this years field they would cruise with ease. Ken Dorsey would be done before the half in some of the games.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:50 am to bamabaseballsec
Even Dorsey got drafted.
Chris Leak did not.
Chris Leak did not.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:53 am to jonnyanony
Chris Leak did not.
Didn’t Tebow get drafted tho, plus I wouldn’t consider urbane philosophy as game manager. He had Tebow packages the year he won his first natty
Didn’t Tebow get drafted tho, plus I wouldn’t consider urbane philosophy as game manager. He had Tebow packages the year he won his first natty
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:54 am to captdalton
Being a game manager should be the minimum.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:59 am to captdalton
You'd have to go back pretty far. Last NC QB I can think of who didn't get drafted was back in the 90's with Osborne's Nebraska teams. Neither Tommie Frazier or Scott Frost got drafted (Frost was drafted as a safety).
The triple option never was an offense ran in the NFL, so it's kinda hard for them to draft an option QB. You just don't know what you're gonna get when you make them sit in the pocket.
Since the option totally went away, I doubt there has been a NC QB who didn't get drafted and at least given a shot. All of Saban's NC winning QBs at Bama got drafted. Tua, Young, and Jones all started for at least part of their careers. McCarron was a career backup and McElroy got drafted 7th round and spent most his time as a backup.
The triple option never was an offense ran in the NFL, so it's kinda hard for them to draft an option QB. You just don't know what you're gonna get when you make them sit in the pocket.
Since the option totally went away, I doubt there has been a NC QB who didn't get drafted and at least given a shot. All of Saban's NC winning QBs at Bama got drafted. Tua, Young, and Jones all started for at least part of their careers. McCarron was a career backup and McElroy got drafted 7th round and spent most his time as a backup.
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