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re: Bryan Harsin is burning things down on his way out
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:15 pm to bayouboo
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:15 pm to bayouboo
quote:They won't have a case for redshirts unless he just came out and told them all he was wasting all their redshirts and if they didn't like it they could leave. Like he was intentionally doing it to hurt the players and Auburn's future. Harsin would have a hard time selling he burnt every redshirt without intent to get back at Auburn.
My point was that it would be a tough sell to fire for cause over redshirts. But I do see your points about recruiting and that might be a way to fire for cause.
Auburn either has a coach tied up and waiting to lower the buyout (the year is almost over and lost) or is in the talks with their AD to be and he wants to pick his coach as part of his deal.
They obviously aren't keeping him for anything positive that he's doing. A failed intermin would look better to recruits than him wasting time dragging everything down. Plus everyone knows he's gone at the end of the year. The only issue with him versus an interim is that he's calling the shots in recruiting. I mean what could he possibly be selling recruits on as far the next head coach. That has to be an odd conversation with recruits and their families. "Hey come play for Auburn because they are a great school and the next head coach has a plan that is going to turn the program around and get back to winning instead of losing."
At this point I'm not even sure I would want him talking to a recruit.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 1:41 pm
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Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:20 pm to RT1941
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And how many healthy players request a redshirt anyway?
Depends on their situation. I think it's a different scenario if you're talking about guys who want to stay vs. guys who plan to hit the portal. If you have played ~40 snaps between special teams and garbage time across 4 games for a team that probably won't make a bowl game, you'd probably not want to burn a year of eligibility just to play another ~40 snaps on special teams and in garbage time. If he's forcing kids who want to stay with the program to burn a year of eligibility for special teams and garbage time snaps that's incredibly short sighted given their roster situation. If he's only applying this to guys who want to transfer, I understand his position and don't really disagree with it. Either play for us or go ahead and leave the team.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:24 pm to Anand0925
Any on the Defensive side? I know us Vols need a few in the secondary that could probably start soon.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:28 pm to ALhunter
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Oh stop it with your nonsense. It's incredible to me how difficult it is for Bama fans to view things objectively.
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Sorry if I don't believe this in relation to the way it was framed by the OP.
The OP is quoting a news article and it's based on information from within the program and player statements who are leaving. It's undeniably bad for the future of AU football. He is hurting the team's future when he knows his tenure is ending... that's definitionally burning things down on the way out.
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My guess is Harsin doesn't want kids who can contribute quitting for the season and the AU boosters are framing it to suit their goals which are to shift public opinion related to his inevitable firing and if possible to avoid paying him what he's owed.
Burning redshirts of guys who haven't played or have barely played this year is hurting the program. Driving kids off who know this is a lost year and he's a dead man walking is hurting the program. He SHOULD be doing what's in the best interest of Auburn if he wants to avoid firing for cause.
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This is a 100% toxic situation largely of their own making and after how they pushed the alleged affair in the media last year I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Who exactly pushed this alleged affair? The Auburn administration has no control over media narratives. The investigation last year was due to multiple coordinators walking for paycuts and massive player loss.
Nonsense? Really?
If you don't understand the way news gets pushed to media members who will print what they are told by boosters, AD's or politicians I don't know what to tell you, but your boosters have been doing it for years.
And telling players to play or leave is somehow bad for your program? What is their scholarship for exactly if its not to play football?
Are you somehow proposing that your team should just forfeit the rest of the year because your coach is going to get fired? If you can contribute you should play.
I'm not telling you to keep Harsin. Frankly I don't care about whatever ridiculous booster drama Auburn is getting into this month.
I'm telling you stop looking for reasons to blame the breakup on him and just get it over with.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:30 pm to BigOrangeKen
Growing up, I had a buddy who had a sister that was a drama queen. She always had a crisis or something dramatic going on. Auburn reminds me of her, they are the drama queen of the SEC. After a while you grow to expect it out of The Barn.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:32 pm to Swampcat
Swampcat-It's "there" not "their".
Posted on 10/26/22 at 3:12 pm to tide06
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If you don't understand the way news gets pushed to media members who will print what they are told by boosters, AD's or politicians I don't know what to tell you, but your boosters have been doing it for years.
So your claim is "boosters", the AD who hired Harsin, and politicians are the ones who told the media to print that stuff... any sources or proof on that? I find it much more likely that random fans pushed it.
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And telling players to play or leave is somehow bad for your program?
Yes, it is. Harsin no longer has a long term perspective on the program. In business, we call this a "conflict of interest". More generally this is called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". If we had a strong AD in place he would be able to step in and instruct Harsin that guys can redshirt if they'd like.
Can you explain plainly how kicking someone out of the program helps Auburn?
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What is their scholarship for exactly if its not to play football?
To give Auburn the best chance of winning over the duration of their time at the school i.e. the next 4-5 years. A guy who only makes a small contribution this year, is better off redshirting and making a large contribution over the next several years. It does nothing for our team if he leaves.
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Are you somehow proposing that your team should just forfeit the rest of the year because your coach is going to get fired?
Very odd reasoning could you explain this further? This is a long term cost/benefit analysis for the good of the program and you may not be familiar with it but every year many players redshirt because they are only minimal contributors during the current season. They get redshirted to develop for the future where they'll make a larger contribution.
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I'm not telling you to keep Harsin. Frankly I don't care about whatever ridiculous booster drama Auburn is getting into this month. I'm telling you stop looking for reasons to blame the breakup on him and just get it over with.
Clearly you must care about it because you've made several posts on the subject - your actions imply you care about it quite a bit. This also has nothing to do with boosters so I'm not following your logic here. Agreed that we should fire him. Probably for cause. I'm assuming the administration wants an AD in place first.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 10/26/22 at 4:10 pm to Animal
Offer Jimbo 11 million a year for 15 years.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 4:32 pm to ALhunter
quote:Someone working inside your athletic department leaked the internal investigation to the media. Random fans or rival fans perpetuated the affair on social media. Someone inside your AD was spoon feeding Phillip Marshall.
So your claim is "boosters", the AD who hired Harsin, and politicians are the ones who told the media to print that stuff... any sources or proof on that? I find it much more likely that random fans pushed it.
quote:The Auburn Administration could nip that conflict of interest in the bud immediately. They are slow playing this thing, and it may be to the detriment of the football program. Scholarship players wanting to quit mid-season and requesting a redshirt (who knew this was a thing?) is not the same as kicking them off the team.
Yes, it is. Harsin no longer has a long term perspective on the program. In business, we call this a "conflict of interest". More generally this is called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". If we had a strong AD in place he would be able to step in and instruct Harsin that guys can redshirt if they'd like.
quote:IF Auburn were concerned at all with the long term cost/benefi analysis Harsin would've been canned in Athens a couple of weeks ago....for the good of the program.
This is a long term cost/benefit analysis for the good of the program and you may not be familiar with it but every year many players redshirt because they are only minimal contributors during the current season. They get redshirted to develop for the future where they'll make a larger contribution.
quote:The Administration (Roberts) is processing this thing in a slow, analytical engineering type way.
Agreed that we should fire him. Probably for cause. I'm assuming the administration wants an AD in place first.
Even as they watch 3 football players enter the portal in 3 days.
Edit: 4 players in 3 days enter the portal
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 10/26/22 at 4:34 pm to Anand0925
Tarvarish Dawson
Posted on 10/26/22 at 4:42 pm to TutHillTiger
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If he is giving away players we will take some
Are you sure? They aren't good enough to play on a 3 win Auburn team
Posted on 10/26/22 at 4:58 pm to Anand0925
He is doing this with the blessing of Auburn top brass. Harsin is getting another year or two to turn it around and to get his guys in there.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 5:06 pm to Damone
quote:The top brass has a super analytical approach; they are weighing the pro's & con's analyzing it all. While players are bolting left 'n right mid-season.
He is doing this with the blessing of Auburn top brass. Harsin is getting another year or two to turn it around and to get his guys in there.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 5:08 pm to SmithsAuFan
quote:Are these guys (King/Walker/Diamond/Dawson) good enough to catch on with a team through the portal?
Are you sure? They aren't good enough to play on a 3 win Auburn team
Posted on 10/26/22 at 5:09 pm to Damone
No F Way
The is on his 2nd 5 million dollar a year deal and will get a check for 15 million before Santa comes to town.
He's had a great run on the Barn Money Train. He and his family can now follow the Eagles around the country (concerts)
The is on his 2nd 5 million dollar a year deal and will get a check for 15 million before Santa comes to town.
He's had a great run on the Barn Money Train. He and his family can now follow the Eagles around the country (concerts)
Posted on 10/26/22 at 5:18 pm to wadewilson
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I mean, wouldn't mind seeing Ausberry's kid come back home.
Ausberry is a piece of shite. His kid did us a favor going elsewhere
Posted on 10/26/22 at 5:55 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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I’m really enjoying the dumpster fires at A$M and Auburn right now.
The ADs should just trade coaches.
Calzada goes back to A&M and Max Johnson goes with Jimbo to Aurbun, so he can compete against TJ Finley again.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 5:59 pm to RT1941
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Random fans or rival fans perpetuated the affair on social media. Someone inside your AD was spoon feeding Phillip Marshall.
Correct - leaking the fact that there's an investigation =/= slanderous personal attacks. I'm not shocked at all that it was leaked an investigation existed. I don't think any AU stakeholders made up affair rumors though.
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The Auburn Administration could nip that conflict of interest in the bud immediately
No disagreement. I think that the administration isn't sure what to do because we don't have an AD in place. If I were someone overseeing the athletic department I'd either be micromanaging him or negotiating a lower buyout right now.
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Edit: 4 players in 3 days enter the portal
Yep - Harsin is the worst coach at AU since WWII and is currently undermining the program on his way out the door. Much of his day to day authority needs to be stripped for the good of the program.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 10/26/22 at 6:04 pm to bayouboo
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Would be a tough sell for a school to fire with cause. All he has to say is that he is trying to win and play the best players. Isn’t that what Aub wants?
Wasn't Ed Orgeron at LSU doing the same thing?
Posted on 10/26/22 at 6:07 pm to TrueLefty
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Wasn't Ed Orgeron at LSU doing the same thing?
No
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