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re: Brando says it out loud. "They have become Auburn"
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:52 am to Leto II
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:52 am to Leto II
Listen, I'm not trying to argue. I'm actually trying to get a full grasp on this conversation. I don't keep up much anymore.
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I'm arguing that our program has been shite since Harsin without support from the boosters. Do you disagree?
It has, but didn't that began with the previous head coach before anyone knew who Harsin was.
Did Gus lose the booster support over the last couple of years he was HC?
Are we arguing if booster money through NIL is what builds a successful team now?
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 10:54 am
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:53 am to i am dan
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It has, but didn't that began with the previous head coach before anyone knew who Harsin was.
Yep.
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Did Gus lose the booster support over the last couple of years he was HC?
Yes, I think so.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:56 am to i am dan
The OP is basically arguing that boosters are the problem with CFB. He's not wrong, in a vacuum, but the fact is that boosters control the purse strings at many programs. It's only when you start losing that it becomes apparent.
If Saban started dropping games, it wouldn't take long for those guys to start appearing again.
Ideally you get a guy like Tuberville who was able to win enough to keep those guys happy and at bay (for a while).
If we lose the support of our boosters then the program truly is dead in this day and age. I'm saying I am embracing their influence.
If Saban started dropping games, it wouldn't take long for those guys to start appearing again.
Ideally you get a guy like Tuberville who was able to win enough to keep those guys happy and at bay (for a while).
If we lose the support of our boosters then the program truly is dead in this day and age. I'm saying I am embracing their influence.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:01 am to Leto II
Gotcha. And I agree.
Like has been said, winning fixes everything.
Has Auburn lost all booster support at this point?
If so, I guess we are thinking that support will return with a new HC vetted/chosen by boosters?
Like has been said, winning fixes everything.
Has Auburn lost all booster support at this point?
If so, I guess we are thinking that support will return with a new HC vetted/chosen by boosters?
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:03 am to i am dan
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Has Auburn lost all booster support at this point?
I hope not. Ideally you'd have guys who would give money without a say-so, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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If so, I guess we are thinking that support will return with a new HC vetted/chosen by boosters
That is what I believe.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:03 am to MoonMoon2020
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We can't afford to fire Jimbo
I doubt if the boosters will cough it up without an absolute 100% home run hire lined up. So it largely comes down to whether they can stomach Urban Meyer. He's the King Alpha Mega-Douchebag but he's also the only living coach in striking distance of Saban as tGOAT.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:12 am to RT1941
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Auburn is going to hire Hugh Freeze.
Oh I know. I've been saying it here for a month.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:16 am to Leto II
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I'm arguing that our program has been shite since Harsin without support from the boosters. Do you disagree?
Goes back to what I was saying, to what Brando is saying. The boosters are destroying your program because they did not get their way. You just proved my point.
They have gone out and tried to destroy the man's family and life!
The guy wasn't given the opportunity to even succeed. You mention Mal Moore. Go read up on what happened.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:18 am to i am dan
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It has, but didn't that began with the previous head coach before anyone knew who Harsin was.
Did Gus lose the booster support over the last couple of years he was HC?
Are we arguing if booster money through NIL is what builds a successful team now?
Dan, Brando basically stated that TAMU is becoming another Texas/Auburn where the booster are out of control and feel like it's their money so THEY own the program.
When ever that happens, it always ends poorly.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:23 am to Leto II
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The OP is basically arguing that boosters are the problem with CFB. He's not wrong, in a vacuum, but the fact is that boosters control the purse strings at many programs. It's only when you start losing that it becomes apparent.
Wrong. I'm arguing that when boosters cross a line, the whole AD becomes dysfunctional. When it gets to that point, the talent will not over come the locker room issues that the booster fails to understand. It then shows up on the field.
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If Saban started dropping games, it wouldn't take long for those guys to start appearing again.
Again, going back to Mal Moore and how he finally addressed those boosters.
Years ago, SaturdayDownSouth had a decent article on it and how UT needed to get control of the boosters.
This isn't about boosters who give money and go about their business. This is about the boosters who give money and then demand control or else. 2 entirely different things.
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I'm saying I am embracing their influence.
Then you embrace chaos. Which is what you have.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:28 am to Henry Jones Jr
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All Bjork had to do was shut the frick up and not give “exemplary cooperation” to the NCAA and we likely don’t get hammered.
When did Ole Miss get hammered?
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:34 am to TouchdownTony
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When did Ole Miss get hammered?
Never
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:39 am to Jjdoc
quote:Brando is clueless, as usual.
We have talked about it on the board. Boosters are ruining the program because they feel they can control it. Listen to Brando.
And it all started with the Hiring of one thug. Ross Bjork. He was the mind that got Ole Miss in trouble and now he is doing it to TAMU.
When you buy a class you need money. And now they MONEY men want control.
Ask Auburn how that program is.
Scott Woodward hired Jimbo. Period. It wasn't boosters. We don't have a Bobby Lowder, or a YellaWood guy calling the shots. You can criticize the decisions to hire Jimbo, or to extend him, but to blame that on boosters is simply false.
Brando talks about 4 stars and 5 stars being a problem. Would we be better off signing 3 stars? We don't have anyone running national recruiting sites hyping guys up just because they signed with A&M. I fail to see how signing a bunch of 3 stars is going to make things better. Recruiting is the foundation of a football team, but bad recruiting isn't the answer.
We need Jimbo to do a better job coaching the guys we've got, and if that means making some changes in how he does things (or staff changes), so be it. But stopping signing five stars isn't going to do it.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:42 am to i am dan
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Has Auburn lost all booster support at this point?
If so, I guess we are thinking that support will return with a new HC vetted/chosen by boosters?
No. The support will be there for a minute. It's much deeper than that and what has held Texas and A&M back for so long. The mega boosters not only donate money and want a say, its what they want a say in. Those boosters want a say in which kids get scholarships, which ones play, when they play and even what style of offense/defense you run. Yes, boosters are involved everywhere but when they become that intrusive you are not gonna win titles.
Go back and research history on Bryant's time at A&M and even Stallings. Bryant's story about momma calling wasn't the only reason he got out of there. Franchione said I was never the decision maker here. Watch Jimbo's interview with that local TV station. He had handlers off screen answering questions for him.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:44 am to TouchdownTony
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hammered?
2 year bowl ban and significantly reduced recruiting activity basically killed three recruiting classes and caused a ton of transfers.
Thank goodness for Kiffin and the transfer portal.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:45 am to Jjdoc
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Brando
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:50 am to AuburnTigers
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more than that. 1983, 1993, 2004 and 2010
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:58 am to AuburnTigers
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more than that. 1983, 1993, 2004 and 2010
1983- Miami
1993- Florida State
2004- USC*
So, a national title in 1957 with no bowl and while on probation, and a BCS title in 2010.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:23 pm to Jjdoc
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Dan, Brando basically stated that TAMU is becoming another Texas/Auburn where the booster are out of control and feel like it's their money so THEY own the program.
When ever that happens, it always ends poorly.
Yep, we're seeing this first hand right now.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:28 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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2004- USC*
I still think the 2004 Auburn team was the best team AU ever fielded. Great offense and defense.
That defense was completely nasty and led the nation in scoring defense. Caddy and Ronnie in the backfield, a slew of good receivers in Aromashudo, Mix, and Obamanu, and Campbell having a great senior year.
2004 still bothers me. Would've been a good national title game. Better than Oklahoma for sure.
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