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re: Big 12 is screwed
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:01 am to StlPoke
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:01 am to StlPoke
quote:Excellent point. We complain about the quality of SEC head coaches. Compared to the Big-12, we're not so bad.
The Big 12 was known for stability in the coaching ranks. The conference is gonna be interesting now.
Texas, Baylor, and OU with first year coaches. Snyder can't have more than a year or two left. Kingsbury is probably on his last leg unless he starts winning.
Outside of Patterson and Gundy. Kind of a mess.
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:09 am to Arksulli
quote:With the exception, of course, being Alabama football.
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How many other conference teams do you see rooting for their rivals vs OOC opponents? I see a lot of dawg fans rooting for UT, AU, UF, etc. that doesn't happen in a regular conference.
It all dates back to when the SEC (and the entire South for that matter) was seen as second or third rate. The rest of the country looked down on all things Southern, particularly the SEC. Of course that still holds true today to be honest.
As a result the conference tends to have a "Me against my brother. Me and my brother against my cousin. Me, my brother and my cousin against the world." mentality.
We all want to be the successful team, but in a pinch we will settle for someone else in the conference putting in the boots. We fight and fuss among ourselves but tend to close ranks and destroy any outsider that sticks his noise in our business.
The unofficial motto and logo for the conference is a middle finger and a hearty "Frick y'all".
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:10 am to jcolding41
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I see a lot of dawg fans rooting for UT, AU, UF, etc
pathetic
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:17 am to jcolding41
OU and OSU will most likely join the SEC, Texas bolts for the PAC with the rest of the conference teams scrambling to see who can fill the few spots left between the PAC, Big 10 and ACC...
After it becomes the Big 4 power conferences the other conferences need to have their own National Championships for the mid-level schools...
After it becomes the Big 4 power conferences the other conferences need to have their own National Championships for the mid-level schools...
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:26 am to Rhino5
The longhorn network is what caused Mizzou and ATM to leave.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:30 am to coachcrisp
I know you guys rip on Mizzou, and quite frankly, we deserve it with some of junk that's happened here over the last few years, but I'm so thankful to be out of that God forsaken conference.
I used to think that the Big 12's implosion was an event that was coming no matter what. I've since changed my line of thinking a bit on the subject.
The Big 12 exists because Bevo wants it to. They clearly run the show, get a lion's share of money, and can pretty much do what they want, because they know the rest of the conference is dependent on them. Especially Tech, TCU, Baylor, KSU, & ISU. If Bevo decides they're better off with some kind of Notre Dame type deal, then I think the Big 12 goes down for good. The remaining schools will scramble to try to find a safe landing spot.
The schools I mentioned would be in real trouble, and I think would most likely end up in some sort of reorganized WAC type conference with Baylor, Tech, TCU, KSU, ISU joining up with Colorado State, the New Mexico schools, UNLV, Boise State, Wyoming, and probably Air Force. Something like that.
The Beakers? As much as I hate to say it, their basketball program and the fact that they're an AAU school probably gets them into the Big 10. I'd prefer it if they ended up in the NAIA.
WV probably goes to one of the east conferences. I doubt the ACC takes them in, so I'd guess the AAC for them. I suppose the SEC could provide them a very soft landing.
OU - they're tied to OSU, so what they do really depends on what their government allows them to. If allowed to split, I can see OU, despite the lack of TV's, getting into the SEC due to the name recognition. OU is also pretty solid across the board athletically, so they'd fit in pretty well. For the most part, I think they'd be team players.
OSU - really tied to OU. Also, Bevo could throw them a lifeline with a move to the PAC, if the PAC was willing to take them in. That move would be similar to what they tried to do back in 2011, I think. The deal breaker was the Longhorn Network, so any move west would require Bevo to move on from it.
I used to think that the Big 12's implosion was an event that was coming no matter what. I've since changed my line of thinking a bit on the subject.
The Big 12 exists because Bevo wants it to. They clearly run the show, get a lion's share of money, and can pretty much do what they want, because they know the rest of the conference is dependent on them. Especially Tech, TCU, Baylor, KSU, & ISU. If Bevo decides they're better off with some kind of Notre Dame type deal, then I think the Big 12 goes down for good. The remaining schools will scramble to try to find a safe landing spot.
The schools I mentioned would be in real trouble, and I think would most likely end up in some sort of reorganized WAC type conference with Baylor, Tech, TCU, KSU, ISU joining up with Colorado State, the New Mexico schools, UNLV, Boise State, Wyoming, and probably Air Force. Something like that.
The Beakers? As much as I hate to say it, their basketball program and the fact that they're an AAU school probably gets them into the Big 10. I'd prefer it if they ended up in the NAIA.
WV probably goes to one of the east conferences. I doubt the ACC takes them in, so I'd guess the AAC for them. I suppose the SEC could provide them a very soft landing.
OU - they're tied to OSU, so what they do really depends on what their government allows them to. If allowed to split, I can see OU, despite the lack of TV's, getting into the SEC due to the name recognition. OU is also pretty solid across the board athletically, so they'd fit in pretty well. For the most part, I think they'd be team players.
OSU - really tied to OU. Also, Bevo could throw them a lifeline with a move to the PAC, if the PAC was willing to take them in. That move would be similar to what they tried to do back in 2011, I think. The deal breaker was the Longhorn Network, so any move west would require Bevo to move on from it.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:30 am to jcolding41
Would it be bad if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State joined the SEC? Let Texas, TCU and whoever go to the Pacific Coast and West Virginia back to the ACC. Kansas with their basketball may fit in the Big 10.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:35 am to AaronB4Mizzou
I agree with everything you said besides OU and OSU being tied together. There is nothing holding the two schools together like the Texas schools had when A&M left. OU and OSU have been in different conferences before and will be again.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:37 am to West Central Tiger
I'd actually like OU in the SEC. They'd be in a pod type system with Mizzou, Arkansas, and I guess A&M. While typically siding with Bevo, they have tried to push back as well. When the Big 12 expanded after Mizzou & A&M left, they really pushed for Louisville over WV. They of course lost, but they tried.
OSU - I really don't know. They'd fit, but they go against the TV/one school/state argument for expanding that seems to be the rule.
OSU - I really don't know. They'd fit, but they go against the TV/one school/state argument for expanding that seems to be the rule.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:38 am to jcolding41
quote:ACC isn't losing any teams. The best move would be to ship Mizzou to the B1G, grab OU, UT and WVU and rule cfb with an iron fist
VU should go to the ACC. notre dame should stop being pussies and get in a frickin conference and the SEC should get a NC and Virginia team.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:53 am to AaronB4Mizzou
To be totally honest. I wish the conferences we're still in pre 2010 alignment. It's still so weird to me seeing Nebraska playing fricking Rutgers and not Oklahoma or Texas. West Virginia should play Pitt. Missouri should play Kansas. Texas AM should play Texas and stop holding our fans hostage over thanksgiving. And for Christ sake what is Maryland doing in the B1G.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:53 am to CU_Tigers4life
The grant of rights is null and void if the conference dissolves.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:56 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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The grant of rights is null and void if the conference dissolves.
That's where I was going..If a couple of schools jumped ship and the Conference didn't dissolve it could hold on to the GOR unless there is language in the agreement that would give them a way out.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:58 am to jcolding41
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unless you go independent.
Obviously a dying breed there and the list of schools that could go independent and truly pull it off and be relevent is a short list. IMO, only the big national brands could consider a move like that.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:01 am to DBU
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WVU isn't close to the ACC academics and isn't ND ACC for football?
They invited Louisville.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:02 am to jcolding41
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How many other conference teams do you see rooting for their rivals vs OOC opponents? I see a lot of dawg fans rooting for UT, AU, UF, etc. that doesn't happen in a regular conference.
Maybe they aren't as into inbreeding?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:02 am to Boomer00
I agree. If the Aggies can split from the other Texas schools it stands to reason the same could happen to yall.
It wasn't Texas causing a ruckus when we left, it was Baylor throwing the tantrum.
It wasn't Texas causing a ruckus when we left, it was Baylor throwing the tantrum.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:09 am to West Central Tiger
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Would it be bad if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State joined the SEC
It wouldn't increase team payouts and it wouldn't raise conference academics, so I can't see why the SEC would do it.
OSU is in Stillwater, a tiny market. You'd add practically nothing if you already had OU.
Also, strong healthy conferences just don't double up in a state the size of OK. They just sit back and wait for flagships and Blueblood to come asking.
If OU can find OSU a home somewhere else, or if OU decides to go elsewhere, I don't think the SEC will care.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:15 am to Jobu93
Smallest house on the big block, but still on the big block.
Big 12 is fine.
If the little members want to bolt (like Mizzou) they'll bolt. shite happens.
Big 12 is fine.
If the little members want to bolt (like Mizzou) they'll bolt. shite happens.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:54 am to MontyFranklyn
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ACC isn't losing any teams
If the ACC continues to discriminate NC then UNC and NCst are out per the state.
ACC isn't losing any teams
If the ACC continues to discriminate NC then UNC and NCst are out per the state.
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