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Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:11 pm to BowlJackson
I can't believe this has made it to the third page and no one has asked, wtf is a penor?
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:48 pm to AU34
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wtf is a penor?
Penor (penor, p3n0r, penoah): Elite word for penis.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:36 am to m45auburn
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I need to get my broom?
If beating the 13th place team in te SEC makes you feel better, so be it.Why don't you admit Pearl is a shitty coach?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:11 am to thibodauxtigah
We had more wins this year than any year since 08-09 with a bunch of freshmen. We underachieved this year, but we're on the right track.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:17 am to thibodauxtigah
We started 4 freshmen and a sophomore most of the season. Our best rim defender went down with a shoulder injury halfway through the season and never came back. We will be good next year.
I'm excited
I'm excited
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:19 am to War Eagle 1975
I expect to see the SEC have 6-7 projected NCAA teams in all the preseason mags next season with all of these schools being picked by somebody
Kentucky
Florida
Arkansas
Vanderbilt
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Mississippi State
South Carolina
Georgia (if Maten returns)
The league will be fun next year. Should be exciting
Kentucky
Florida
Arkansas
Vanderbilt
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Mississippi State
South Carolina
Georgia (if Maten returns)
The league will be fun next year. Should be exciting
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:22 am to thibodauxtigah
Avery Johnson inherited one of the best rosters in the conference outside of UF/UK. Only 1 of Alabama's 7 former 4-star players is a freshman, only 1 is a sophomore too. That means the bulk of Alabama's top talent is a junior or senior.
Pearl and Howland have had to basically rebuild both teams fro mthe ground up. There's less excuses for Pearl in year 3 vs. Howland in year 2, but both teams bulk of their better 4-5 star talent is either a freshman or sophomore. In fact, of Auburn's 7 4-stars, only 1 was not brought in by Pearl. At MSU NONE of their 8 4-stars are juniors or seniors.
Very very different situations. I think if Pearl cant win next year, he might not ever there. The fact is he'll have 2 5-star sophomores there and some other experienced talent (Purifoy, Spencer, Harper).
Howland too, he played a ton of freshmen/sophomores this year so the excuses run a lot less next year.
Pearl and Howland have had to basically rebuild both teams fro mthe ground up. There's less excuses for Pearl in year 3 vs. Howland in year 2, but both teams bulk of their better 4-5 star talent is either a freshman or sophomore. In fact, of Auburn's 7 4-stars, only 1 was not brought in by Pearl. At MSU NONE of their 8 4-stars are juniors or seniors.
Very very different situations. I think if Pearl cant win next year, he might not ever there. The fact is he'll have 2 5-star sophomores there and some other experienced talent (Purifoy, Spencer, Harper).
Howland too, he played a ton of freshmen/sophomores this year so the excuses run a lot less next year.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:29 am to thunderbird1100
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Avery Johnson inherited one of the best rosters in the conference outside of UF/UK
That's a bit of an overstatement. I agree with the general sentiment that AJ got a better setup than Pearl and Howland, but he inherited a roster with no scoring options and relatively little experience. Retin BECAME an offensive threat last season. Our other major contributors were Shannon Hale, Justin Coleman, Arthur Edwards, Jimmie Taylor, Riley Norris and Michael Kessens.
That is not one of the best rosters in the SEC outside of UF/UK. Hale, Kessens and Coleman are gone, Edwards averaged 4 points a game at New Mexico, and Norris and Taylor ain't exactly 16 PPG guys on offense.
This year, our 2 best offensive players are freshmen. We got a great grad transfer rebounder in Bola (who Avery identified and brought in). Avery signed Hall. The only thing left from the Grant era is Jimmie Taylor and Riley Norris. What Grant left was a solid foundation and solid program base. He was a good man and had solid kids in his program, and had a solid system set up for accountability. It was not a total nuclear blowup and rebuild from an overall "program" standpoint, and that's where Avery benefited the most in comparison to Pearl and Howland.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:45 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
I would've liked to see more success early from Pearl, but I'm glad he didn't load our roster early with borderline guys and have them taking up space later. He went the grad transfer and JUCO route so he could get better freshmen later. It's a longer rebuild, but the ceiling is much higher.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:41 am to Smoke7024
I expected a better year than we had but we are stupid young. In our seven game losing streak in the middle of the season five were by 6 points or less. We looked like freshman a lot and would go many minutes in a row without scoring every game.
Howland may right the ship but man we looked like we got worse all year.
Howland may right the ship but man we looked like we got worse all year.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
King, Taylor, Norris, Davis, Coleman and Hale were all former 4-stars. Now obviously a lot of those are what they are, but just going by their ratings, it was decent roster, especially in comparison to what Howland and Pearl walked into. One of the better in the league on paper.
Biggest credit to Avery goes to him filling out a roster, like this year with Corban Collins and Bola Olaniyan as grad transfers. Too many coaches are dumb and will play with only 11 or 12 scholarship players, why not fill it out with a grad transfer or 2...even if they wont be major contributors at least they can get minutes when others cant (foul trouble, injury, kicked off team, etc). Even though neither Collins or Olaniyan were big time or key players, they both played a role in helping Alabama go 10-8 in conference this year. Without them, Bama probably only wins 6 to 8 conference games with 10-11 players. Once we lost Victor this year, we only had 10-11 players, and routinely had to start playing a walk on.
Biggest credit to Avery goes to him filling out a roster, like this year with Corban Collins and Bola Olaniyan as grad transfers. Too many coaches are dumb and will play with only 11 or 12 scholarship players, why not fill it out with a grad transfer or 2...even if they wont be major contributors at least they can get minutes when others cant (foul trouble, injury, kicked off team, etc). Even though neither Collins or Olaniyan were big time or key players, they both played a role in helping Alabama go 10-8 in conference this year. Without them, Bama probably only wins 6 to 8 conference games with 10-11 players. Once we lost Victor this year, we only had 10-11 players, and routinely had to start playing a walk on.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:47 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:48 am to thunderbird1100
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King, Taylor, Norris, Davis, Coleman and Hale were all former 4-stars.
Well King played roughly 60 minutes all year this year and wasn't eligible last year. Davis wasn't on the roster last year, he was a juco guy this year.
So the team last year had Taylor, Norris, Coleman and Hale......and anybody can watch those 4 and tell they are varying degrees of meh.
Like I said, I agree with the premise. Avery walked into a much better situation than Howland or Pearl. Anthony Grant had faults, but he wasn't a disaster. And he ran a tight ship program that was stable and filled with solid people. But the talent was just not that good when Avery got here. It wasn't as bad as Auburn or State, but it wasn't good, regardless of how many stars the kids had in high school.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:00 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Grant signed Hall. And Ingram. Avery had to re-recruit Ingram, but Grant had those guys in the program.
This year, our 2 best offensive players are freshmen. We got a great grad transfer rebounder in Bola (who Avery identified and brought in). Avery signed Hall. The only thing left from the Grant era is Jimmie Taylor and Riley Norris. What Grant left was a solid foundation and solid program base. He was a good man and had solid kids in his program, and had a solid system set up for accountability. It was not a total nuclear blowup and rebuild from an overall "program" standpoint, and that's where Avery benefited the most in comparison to Pearl and Howland.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:04 am to GatorsGators
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Grant signed Hall. And Ingram.
Grant did originally get Hall in the fold, but Ingram was a free agent until Avery signed him. Most people thought he would have gone elsewhere.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Ingram was committed to Alabama with Grant. And as far as I remember with Ingram, UK was the only real threat to steal away Ingram even after Grant was fired and I'm not sure that offer/interest was ever real.
Grant did originally get Hall in the fold, but Ingram was a free agent until Avery signed him. Most people thought he would have gone elsewhere.
Avery definitely gets credit for re-recruiting him, but it's a testament to the fact that Avery walked into a way better situation than the others that he had two high-upside athletes in his "first" class.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:15 am to GatorsGators
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Avery definitely gets credit for re-recruiting him, but it's a testament to the fact that Avery walked into a way better situation than the others that he had two high-upside athletes in his "first" class.
Oh I agree 100%. And the results of Grant speak for themselves in comparison to the situations under Barbee and Ray. Grant had an NIT/borderline NCAA program. It was well run, well structured and had a solid foundation.
Auburn and State were flaming dumpster fires.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:20 am to thibodauxtigah
sweep
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
I mean this as a compliment to Coach Johnson: Bama was the most unathletic talented team that I saw this year. Maybe it was "paralysis by analysis" and they got caught thinking too much, but I think Avery did a fine job with a team that had limitations. They showed more athleticism as the year went on, but they could just get stuck in reverse sometimes (see exhibit A vs Arkansas)
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:32 am to Vecchio Cane
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I mean this as a compliment to Coach Johnson: Bama was the most unathletic talented team that I saw this year. Maybe it was "paralysis by analysis" and they got caught thinking too much, but I think Avery did a fine job with a team that had limitations. They showed more athleticism as the year went on, but they could just get stuck in reverse sometimes (see exhibit A vs Arkansas)
Agree, which is why teams like Arkansas, Auburn and Kentucky give us such issues.
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