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re: Bama: Kiffin or Sark?
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:58 pm to Mexican Martini
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:58 pm to Mexican Martini
Kiffen won an SEC championship and got into the CFP with Blake Sims, a converted running back, as QB, and had him named all conference. Unless you followed Sims' career you cannot grasp how amazing a coaching job that was. He changed our entire offense, including how we called plays, to help him succeed. Incredible.
But Sark's offense with Mac, Najee, and Devonta was literally unstoppable, maybe the best Alabama offence in my 69 years.
Lane was more entertaining though, for sure.
But Sark's offense with Mac, Najee, and Devonta was literally unstoppable, maybe the best Alabama offence in my 69 years.
Lane was more entertaining though, for sure.
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:03 pm to TTsTowel
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It's like Lane Kiffin doesn't even care about HS recruiting.
He has always seemed a bit lazy, and then when he got to OM, it’s like he completely gave up on it. He’s done well with the portal there, but his method is fools gold at a bigger program, IMO.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:07 pm to Mexican Martini
Sark > Kiffin....and its not close.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:28 pm to Opry
I feel the exact opposite and don't consider sark anything close to a guru nor have I even heard other people say this.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:28 pm to Tuscaloosa
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it’s like he completely gave up on it
I think that notion is misguided. He’s identified and out recruited others for HS players. I think they have found an edge with use of the portal so that is where more of the effort and NIL spend goes. He can’t go all in on HS recruits and all in on Portal. Do you get the Walter Nolen out of the portal or do you get a 5 star HS guy who might leave the program before he gets to soph/jr year?
I dont think you can call Kiffin lazy or bad at HS recruiting when he identified Judkins and made that happen. Bama/Aub were turning a blind eye. The effort and $$$ poured into Judkins only for him to end up being a malcontent and portalled out anyway. Have to be judicious with time and $$$
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:31 pm to Quicksilver
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I get the argument for Sark since he had some prolific offenses but he also had the better QB/WR talent to work with. Kiffin damn near turned Blake Sims into a NC winning QB and got maximum production out of an average Jacob Coker. Then he kept the offense simple enough for a true freshman Jalen Hurts to not get lost in. All 3 were vastly different coaching challenges that he did about as well as you can ask on.
Kiffin completely changed the trajectory of Alabama. Bama may not go on it's insane run of wide receivers if Lane Kiffin doesn't show America how valuable Amari Cooper was.
Kiffin has make chicken salad out of some chicken shite at times while Sark was cooking with steak & lobster.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:32 pm to Jdgood1
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I feel the exact opposite and don't consider sark anything close to a guru nor have I even heard other people say this.
As I've stated I'm not sold on him but if you've never heard this you aren't a fan of college football. It may not be true but he certainly has that reputation
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:37 pm to Saskwatch
quote:For Ole Miss, I think Kiffin's recruiting philosophy is perfect. Expend the time, money and resources in a more physically and mentally prepared portal player and build him into a solid contributor. Rather than a HS player that has to transition to college academics and learn the program & system only for them to portal out any time they feel like it.
I think that notion is misguided. He’s identified and out recruited others for HS players. I think they have found an edge with use of the portal so that is where more of the effort and NIL spend goes. He can’t go all in on HS recruits and all in on Portal. Do you get the Walter Nolen out of the portal or do you get a 5 star HS guy who might leave the program before he gets to soph/jr year?
I dont think you can call Kiffin lazy or bad at HS recruiting when he identified Judkins and made that happen. Bama/Aub were turning a blind eye. The effort and $$$ poured into Judkins only for him to end up being a malcontent and portalled out anyway. Have to be judicious with time and $$$
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:40 pm to McGregor
Kiffin did more with less. Sark had better QB talent. I'd take either over what we've had since.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 5:22 pm to Mexican Martini
Sark, Kiffin is good but I’m not sold he wants to be elite if he has to put saban level work in on it.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 5:26 pm to bamabaseballsec
The only real gripe I had with Kiffin while he was our coordinator, was the offense always confused by alignment pre snap and I remember a lot of delay penalties.
Kiffin is a superior play caller in my mind but I would hire Sark first.
Kiffin is a superior play caller in my mind but I would hire Sark first.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 6:05 pm to Mexican Martini
Kiffen changed the Bama offensive mindset. Sark perfected it.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 6:13 pm to Foots51
Kiffin would waste pays to set up the big touchdown. It usually worked in the end.
Dark would methodically drive the ball down the field. Much more pre snap movement and eye candy to confuse defenses.
They were both our best OC’s of the Saban era. Along with the shark humper a close 3rd.
If I had to chose, it would be easy. Sark.
Dark would methodically drive the ball down the field. Much more pre snap movement and eye candy to confuse defenses.
They were both our best OC’s of the Saban era. Along with the shark humper a close 3rd.
If I had to chose, it would be easy. Sark.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 6:23 pm to Mexican Martini
Sark
Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:25 pm to samson73103
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If he had kept running the ball down their throat Bama wins. Clemson had no answer for Bo Scarborough
Yep. That one was another NC just sitting there for the taking. Lots of reasons for the loss, but Sark's play calling was a big one.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 10:12 pm to Mexican Martini
I've heard speculation that if Sark were still on Nick's staff or OC at another school in 2023 he would now be the Bama coach?
Personally if for some reason we were looking for a coach last year I think DeBoer would top my personal wish list. As much as I hate to say it (and hope I'm wrong) I think DeBoer was a good hire..possibly even great.
Personally if for some reason we were looking for a coach last year I think DeBoer would top my personal wish list. As much as I hate to say it (and hope I'm wrong) I think DeBoer was a good hire..possibly even great.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 10:29 pm to 14caratgoldjones
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Kiffin would waste plays to set up the big touchdown. It usually worked in the end.
Sark would methodically drive the ball down the field. Much more pre snap movement and eye candy to confuse defenses.
This is fairly accurate.
The reason I preferred Kiffin is because you truly never knew what to expect. The offense was wide open, and he always had some truly brilliant play calls tucked away for key moments.
Sark was more technical and close to the vest.
The thing I disliked about Sark was his offense always felt a little "small ball" to me. Lots of dinks and dunks and screens.
The reason 2020 went so well was because Mac Jones' perfectionism matched perfectly with Sark. He was able to execute all of the small stuff to perfection.
I think Kiffin's offense translates better to a big-time QB i.e. NFL personnel, which makes sense given his background.
It seemed more wide open, and able to attack any part of the field on any given down.
Kiffin also gets points for having more swag and aura. I think he's one of the best in cfb, and he'll probably end up at Florida soon as others have predicted.
Kiffin at Florida would be a dangerous combo
This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 8/22/24 at 10:36 pm to McGregor
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Sark will be the answer. Kiffin basically got fired before a national title game. That's hard to forget about.
Ironically, considering the comparison, for being drunk on the job.
This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 8/23/24 at 7:29 am to forestwhitackersgood
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Sark... Kiffin is a supremely talented offensive mind just too damn immature...
This may be the dumbest comment on the board today.
Sark was fired for alcoholism and had to spend time in a rehab facility. Kiffin tweets sometimes. Which one sounds more immature?
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