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re: Bama: Kiffin or Sark?

Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:58 pm to
Kiffin changed the offensive philosophy and kudos to Coach Saban for his willingness to evolve, adjust, listen and understand it was needed at the time to continue the dynasty.

Sark came in and recruited great and brought a beautiful offensive package that was fun to watch and produced at an elite level.

Both obviously used their rehab time at Bama to better themselves as college HC's.
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:02 pm to
“What’s the story behind this? I don’t follow Bama football that closely.”

He had accepted the FAU job and was doing a lot of FAU “work” prior to the playoffs and not prepping Bama. It really hurt Bama for this to go down.
As far as the original question, Sark. You didn’t have the drama and the twitter bullshite. You don’t have ridiculous play calls with under a minute to play. Other stuff as well that doesn’t need to brought up. Kiffin was like that kid that just can’t stay out of trouble. Sark was the professional. People forget Sark had to coach the iron bowl as saban had Covid and did a great job that day. Talk about a pressure situation and he handled it like a pro.
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:03 pm to
Texas fans being Texas fans. You gays are turning out to be every bit the bunch of high maintenance debutantes we imagined you. Ain't no Bama fans gonna stroke your ego so continue with the

This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 2:04 pm
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
7435 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:04 pm to
Similarly exciting offenses but I think everyone will say Sark for the reasons mentioned about maturity. It’s impossible to address this question from pure coaching terms considering what a child Kiffin has been most of his career. That said I’ve largely appreciated and respected his run at OM. He’s still a troll but he’s grown up a ton. I like and appreciate him a lot more now than I ever have in the past, including when he was at Alabama. Are either of these guys at risk of falling off the wagon? I guess you gotta consider that as well.
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:10 pm to
“Kiffin changed the offensive philosophy and kudos to Coach Saban for his willingness to evolve, adjust, listen and understand it was needed at the time to continue the dynasty.”

I’ve always viewed this differently. I think when Bama “evolved” it killed the dynasty. Bama lost its edge which was physicality. Michigan just proved that running the ball and defense can still win big time. As a buddy of mine said watching the mich-Ohio st game. It’s good to see a team huddle up, come to the line of scrimmage with two tight ends on first down, qb under center and run a lead play for 7 yards.
Posted by Mexican Martini
Member since Aug 2024
281 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:13 pm to
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Texas fans being Texas fans. You gays are turning out to be every bit the bunch of high maintenance debutantes we imagined you. Ain't no Bama fans gonna stroke your ego so continue with the


You're an idiot.
Posted by GreatPumpkin
Member since Mar 2022
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:19 pm to
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You’ve been drunk at work recently don’t lie
Would that I could
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:19 pm to
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He had already accepted the head coaching job at FAU and was essentially a missing person during bowl prep, not putting much effort into it. Saban told him to kick rocks, which basically led to our losing the championship game.


Right, and I think that was one of Saban’s biggest mistakes at Alabama. Sarkisian was merely on the support staff and had less than a week to plan for and call that game. It wasa 4 point game and I’m pretty sure Kiffin would have been worth a touchdown more, considering he had planned and called around freshman Jalen Hurts passing game woes all that season
Posted by Mexican Martini
Member since Aug 2024
281 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:24 pm to
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Except when he filled in for Kiffin against Clemson. If he had kept running the ball downtheir throat Bama wins. Clemson had no answer for Bo Scarborough and when he went down Sark didn't give any of the other RBs a chance. To be fair, going from an analyst to OC overnight was sort of baptism by fire.


Nervous this could be a trend. His insistence on his gameplan. Last year vs UW we were averaging almost 7ypc but didn't step on the gas. Granted we were down the entire time but it may have helped knock Penix out of that sick rhythm he was i.
Posted by BasedCrimson
Member since Jun 2024
1019 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:30 pm to
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both are considered offensive guru's I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on which coach you preferred while on your staff and why?

Kiffin was better.

A big part of Sark's success came down to having two elite QBs in Tua and Mac Jones.

Lane Kiffin was a true offensive genius, and was always able to pull a rabbit out of a hat when we needed a play.

The only problem was Kiffin's ego clashed with Saban. Other than that, he was better.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31202 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:31 pm to
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“Kiffin changed the offensive philosophy and kudos to Coach Saban for his willingness to evolve, adjust, listen and understand it was needed at the time to continue the dynasty.”

I’ve always viewed this differently. I think when Bama “evolved” it killed the dynasty. Bama lost its edge which was physicality. Michigan just proved that running the ball and defense can still win big time. As a buddy of mine said watching the mich-Ohio st game. It’s good to see a team huddle up, come to the line of scrimmage with two tight ends on first down, qb under center and run a lead play for 7 yards.
I understand what you're saying.
But prior to Kiffin, Bama could manhandle opponents and literally run out the clock in the 4th quarter to win games. With a stifling defense we could control the LOS and choke out the opponent.

Then the RPO/HUNH/fast-paced offense hit the scene and Bama (Coach Saban) had to completely change his defensive recruiting for a smaller/leaner and faster D player, because ours were big, strong & slow and they couldn't handle playing sideline to sideline chasing down an offense. To compliment the new defensive players, we had to evolve the offense and run more RPO mixed with HUNH & faster pace, I think Kiffin was instrumental in that evolution.

I don't believe Bama would've been able to consistently win at an elite level had they stayed with that same type of player and relied on physically dominating opponents. Other teams were just too fast and scored way too much to rely on defense to get shutouts and hold opponents to single digits like they could during the early days of Saban's time at Bama.

Thanks for the conversation/dialog though. It's a rarity on tRant these days.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:37 pm to
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I think when Bama “evolved” it killed the dynasty.
Y’all won 3 national titles after that.
This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 2:38 pm
Posted by MadisonReb10
Brandon, MS
Member since Aug 2010
909 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:44 pm to
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Kiffin was better. A big part of Sark's success came down to having two elite QBs in Tua and Mac Jones.


This. People forget Kiffin had Blake Sims, Jake Coker, and a freshman Jalen Hurts as his quarterbacks
Posted by FreedomBarefoot
42° parallel
Member since Aug 2016
2493 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:48 pm to
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What’s the story behind this? I don’t follow Bama football that closely.


He had already accepted the head coaching job at FAU and was essentially a missing person during bowl prep, not putting much effort into it. Saban told him to kick rocks, which basically led to our losing the championship game.


I was thinking the FAU AD was a Clemson grad and talked kiffin into leaving and not calling the game. Either way he let the team down and Falcons would have never hired Sark. Then Saban had to hire Brian Daboll and that screwed Jalen Hurts with not having a Qb coach.

Give me Sark
Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:57 pm to
I get the argument for Sark since he had some prolific offenses but he also had the better QB/WR talent to work with. Kiffin damn near turned Blake Sims into a NC winning QB and got maximum production out of an average Jacob Coker. Then he kept the offense simple enough for a true freshman Jalen Hurts to not get lost in. All 3 were vastly different coaching challenges that he did about as well as you can ask on.

Kiffin completely changed the trajectory of Alabama. Bama may not go on it's insane run of wide receivers if Lane Kiffin doesn't show America how valuable Amari Cooper was.
Posted by TTsTowel
RIP Bow9den/Coastie
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:05 pm to
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ETA: Sark is a much better recruiter, too.
It's like Lane Kiffin doesn't even care about HS recruiting.
This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 3:08 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30934 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:24 pm to
1. Daboll.
2. Kiffin
3. Sark

Posted by UPT
NOLA
Member since May 2009
5751 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:36 pm to
I fricking loved when Kiffin would see the defensive line up, and put two arms in the air calling a TD before the ball was even snapped.

Swag.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16626 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:52 pm to
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Other stuff as well that doesn’t need to brought up.

1) He banged Saban’s daughter.

2) He gave an interview and explained why he left Bama. He said Tuscaloosa wasn’t a good fit for him nor was the staff culture and he literally aged in dog years while coaching there.

Btw, all you d-bags in here bringing up Sark’s addiction are lowlife POS.

Posted by Mexican Martini
Member since Aug 2024
281 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:54 pm to
I'm enjoying reading y'all's opinions. Thank you.
I figured it'd be about 50/50 and obviously I'm not as familiar with Kiff.
Do any of you who think Sark was more effective because of quarterback play attribute any of that back on to Sark? Mac, for instance, seems to have maximized his abilities.
I'm not sold on Sark yet so it was an honest inquiry from the beginning and interesting to me since they both coached for you.
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