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Balance in college footbal

Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:21 am
Posted by emoryman
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2012
62 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:21 am
NCAA could adopt a policy like the NFL and NBA , the winners are penalized by having lower draft picks. In college the final four in the football playoff would be allowed 75 players for the next 2 seasons. This would prevent the hoarding of 4 and 5 stars. Of course there would have to be rules to preventing gray shirts and walk-ons. The rules would need to be tweeted as Saban figures out ways to get around them.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48901 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:24 am to
Just lower the amount of scholly players overall
Posted by diddlydawg7
2x Best Poster Elite 8 (2x Sweet 16
Member since Oct 2017
27529 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:24 am to
That would only further decrease the amateur aspect of the sport.

The only way this could ever happen is if we went to player compensation.
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:25 am to
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Just lower the amount of scholly players overall


I actually like this.
Posted by emoryman
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2012
62 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:32 am to
The NCAA penalizes teams with scholarship reduction . How does that lead to compensation ?
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:41 am to
I like it how it is
Posted by Tigerpro2a
Huntsville, AL
Member since Sep 2018
626 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Just lower the amount of scholly players overall


I don't see reducing scholarships again as a way to fix anything. Your Bamas and OSUs are still going to hoard the top talent, and they will process players and find ways around that.

The bigger negative to scholly reductions is that many of your lower rated players that go G5 or even D2 would lose out on scholarship opportunities.

If you want to fix the game and add balance, the only thing that will do is either go back to BCS format, or expand and change the playoff criteria. I am for the latter.

Go to a minimum of 6 teams. Power 5 conference champs get in. Highest ranked G5 team gets in. The top 2 seeds have a bye while seeds 3-6 and 4-5 play in. Another cool thing they could do is to give the two conferences that play for the Natty the Bye in the next year. So you are playing for the natty plus a chance for your conference to get a bye the following year. That would be my ideal set up.

Of course you could argue to go to 8 teams and have power 5 champs and top 3 teams outside of that, but honestly, if you look over the last 6 years...Bama still wins NAtty without even winning their division 2 of those years.
This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 8:49 am
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25568 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:44 am to
Compensation answers nothing.

If you allow compensation, then allow any student to play (it no longer becomes college football).

Scholarship reduction with an increased emphasis in OOC scheduling would reward G5 and level the playing field.
Im not for that. But if equity is a goal (and it shouldnt be) that is how you do it.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
5095 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:54 am to
1980 is getting to you, I see
Posted by emoryman
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2012
62 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:56 am to
You can not reduced scholarships on every school . That hurts too many kids . By reducing on the four 4 will bring parity. Most young people don' t remember the hoarding of talent by Bryant. When Alabama went on probation and had their numbers reduced and watched closely by the NCAA , they lost to Auburn six years in a row.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25568 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:01 am to
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You can not reduced scholarships on every school . That hurts too many kids . By reducing on the four 4 will bring parity. Most young people don' t remember the hoarding of talent by Bryant. When Alabama went on probation and had their numbers reduced and watched closely by the NCAA , they lost to Auburn six years in a row.


OOC scheduling trickles down money to lower programs. That would allow D2 and D3 more money for more scholarships (more than offsets the reduction at D1 as money goes much further in D2 and D3).

Is your point balance and equity?
Scholarship reduction and increases emphasis on OOC games 100% accomplishes that and can be done without any limitation to # of degrees earned through football.

For the record, balance and equity shouldnt be the point. I dont advocate for a scholarship reduction. Or any rules action intended to create parity.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42172 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:01 am to
quote:

NCAA could adopt a policy like the NFL and NBA , the winners are penalized by having lower draft picks. In college the final four in the football playoff would be allowed 75 players for the next 2 seasons. This would prevent the hoarding of 4 and 5 stars. Of course there would have to be rules to preventing gray shirts and walk-ons.

No. Your solution is to try to make teams worse after they do really good so that other teams can do well without having to deal with the teams that were really good in the few years prior. That's like football socialism.
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The rules would need to be tweeted as Saban figures out ways to get around them.


Tweeting the rules would prevent Saban from getting around them?
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Member since Dec 2012
37 posts

Post less.
This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 9:06 am
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
15873 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:03 am to
Consolidate the P5 into a separate Division under its own oversight (not the NCAA). Play only teams in this division. Set up a rotation were the conferences play each other ala SEC big 10ish challenge.

SEC and ACC play OOC
Big 10 and PAC12
Big 12 and mixed

Next year
SEC and PAC 12
Big 10 and Big 12
ACC and mixed.
Etc
Posted by emoryman
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2012
62 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:07 am to
How is that going prevent a few teams from hoarding talent?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64955 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:13 am to
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How is that going prevent a few teams from hoarding talent?


It's not. People need to face facts: until Saban retires or starts slowing down things are not going to change.
Posted by emoryman
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2012
62 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:14 am to
Roll Tide Raven -- I have a life. Having gone to Emory, a school without football. I have a different perspective .
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25568 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:19 am to
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I have a different perspective


Congrats. No one here likes your perspective.

Find an emory board and solve college football problems there.
Posted by Herman Frisco
Bon Secour
Member since Sep 2008
17260 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:24 am to
Who are the 5* players who are “Hoarded Talent” at UofA? Sounds like you want to be rewarded for not being the best team. You need to hire a coach who will work as hard as Nick Saban.And can beat his teams.
But that sounds like too much work for teams like LSU, UGA or The Boogs to name a few who want a easy way to the championship.

Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40832 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:27 am to
quote:

. I have a different perspective .


Not really
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
13958 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:30 am to
So Georgia has all this talent, overwhelming talent really in the grand scheme, but is interested in competitive balance?

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