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re: Auburn fan entitlement is what makes the potential Gus firing so interesting
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:14 pm to tigertex1992
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:14 pm to tigertex1992
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Uh... No they don't. In Oregon's case, most wanted him gone immediately that year. Wanting to win right now is certainly not unique to auburn.
Yeah but in every single case last year once yall found out how big O's buyout was yall resolved yourselves to the fact he was coming back this year. No one pretended some big booster was willing to pay it, no beat writers for LSU floating theories of how the buyout would be handled.
Wanting to win right now is not unique or special. Expecting $32 million to pop out of thin air so you don't have to deal with a down season like every other program is special.
Like short bus kind of special.
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:16 pm to cardboardboxer
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Expecting $32 million to pop out of thin air so you don't have to deal with a down season like every other program is special.
You don't get a "down" season for $7 mil/year. Period. End of discussion. And when the deal was done without any support other than an outgoing AD and a new president who is WAY the frick out of his depth, this is what happens.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:16 pm to GlossuRabban
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I love how you completely ignore what the media is saying as well.
What media? The Auburn beat writers who are desperate to not have yall check out until the end of next season, or the national writers who know that no fricking program will pay a buyout that big?
Paul told yall how it is and yall can't accept it:
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:16 pm to cardboardboxer
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What matters right now is what is in Gus's contract and what is in the AD's bank account
I don't disagree with you.
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Just the fact that yall think your "feelings" have any place at the table shows the exact entitlement I am talking about.
You lumped us all together. It's a significant point because a large portion didn't want Gus, but the university didn't listen and didn't care, and signed to contracts anyway. Gus has been here for 6 years now. The possibility of him being fired isn't due to his 3 losses this year, it's a culmination of his wildly inconsistent coaching over the past 6 years.
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A sizable potion of LSU fans didn't want Coach O but that didn't make his buyout magically lower when they los to Troy last year.
Maybe they didn't have the money
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:19 pm to cardboardboxer
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The fricking flagship of Texas went from a national title game (2009) to a losing season (2010) the very next year and they didn't fire a coach.
Surely you aren't holding up the Longhorns as an example for how Auburn should proceed with their coaching decisions?
Nah...
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The only example I can even find CLOSE to yall is when Oregon fired Mark Helfrich two years after going to (not winning) a national title.
Helfrich was fired after going 4-8. You would have kept him? If Gus goes 4-8, he absolutely deserves to be fired.
In all seriousness, Gus isn't fired yet. His seat is getting hotter by the day but he still has time to salvage the season enough to keep his job.
But thank you for giving us a preview of the threads that will flood the rant if/when Gus is fired.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:20 pm to AU_251
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You are a bad poster
Nah, he just has takes and runs with them. He can be wrong but he always creates some good discussion. He also doesn't normally do it as a troll or flame but out of curiosity.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:20 pm to cardboardboxer
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And I have never seen a fanbase that can't accept the reality of the situation that there is no way to handle Gus's buyout this off season
If the boosters can put up the initial $16 Million, then the school pays $4 million/yr for 4 years to complete the buyout. They hire a solid G5 coach or a P5 coordinator for $3 million/year and the AD doesn't even take that much of a hit. It is not ideal, but it is not altogether unmanageable.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:23 pm to cardboardboxer
The Cow College should have allowed one Guz Malzona to ride off in his BMW to HogLand and hired Dan Mullen as their HC in 2017. That is where they fuqed up.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:23 pm to GlossuRabban
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You don't get a "down" season for $7 mil/year. Period. End of discussion.
Contracts don't change because of what you "feel" a coach should get. Period. End of discussion.
Sumlin got over $10 million for his shitty last season. Bert got over $12 million. Welcome to the modern SEC.
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And when the deal was done without any support other than an outgoing AD and a new president who is WAY the frick out of his depth, this is what happens.
I am not saying its not a bad deal. It was.
I am saying yall are stuck with it and who agreed to what doesn't matter today. If its a legally executed contract yall are on the hook, feelings be damned.
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Whatever. If you can't bother to read and understand anything else, I'm done with you.
I am fricking here to understand. Here is your chance.
Show me a national source who is willing to even consider the idea yall will pay that buyout.
Tell me the name of the big booster who will pay the buyout. I know who paid for Sumlins.
Show me one piece of evidence that doesn't come from people who are motivated to lie to you to convince me yall can actually do this.
Until you can do any of that yall are like any other program who is on the hook for a big buyout.
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You will look like the idiot when Gus is gone and Auburn is moving on (and rolling to another SEC title).
You know, you might be right.
I was saying the same thing to UF fans last year and then they shocked me by coming up with that death threat bullshite that completely got them from having to deal with a dead-man-walking season this year. I was wrong about that and I admit it.
So I am ready to be wrong about Gus, I am just not convinced when you are talking about mysterious groups raising the money or when there is no plan with specifics that yall are going to do.
Show me the plan, show me how yall plan to manage that buyout and not completely frick up your budget for hiring the next coach and I will believe.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:23 pm to GlossuRabban
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He loses to Ole Miss he's probably gone.
Are you saying after the game or just at the end of the year?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:25 pm to cardboardboxer
No, I'll be here to call your arse out when it happens.He loses to Ole Miss and he's toast.
Go Rebs.
Go Rebs.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:25 pm to rockiee
Auburn fans don't actually believe Gus is getting fired this year, right?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:27 pm to craigbiggio
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Auburn fans don't actually believe Gus is getting fired this year, right?
Jesus, don't you start too.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:27 pm to BrerTiger
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Yeah, we had this discussion ad nauseum earlier this year. I don't want to rehash that entire conversation.
Deal. I won't bring it up again.
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It's because Aggy is convinced they made the greatest coaching hire in the history of ever. Other than Lord Saban, of course.
It is 0% that. Jimbo might still bury our program for 10 years. That isn't a sure bet.
Why this thread exists is because I used to think LSU fans were the most delusional in the SEC but then last year when Tiger Rant was faced with a $10+ million buyout following the Troy game the entire board pretty much agreed Coach O would get another year.
Meanwhile here are Auburn fans trying to convince us that a buyout three times as big, and more than twice as big as any other SEC buyout ever, won't get in their way.
I see it as pure delusion, but I could be wrong hence the thread.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:28 pm to rockiee
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Nah, he just has takes and runs with them. He can be wrong but he always creates some good discussion. He also doesn't normally do it as a troll or flame but out of curiosity.
I agree. But this Gus contract seems to be burning him up. I suspect it has to do with Jimbo and his guaranteed money.
But I don't see why he's viewing it as impossible. We get few boosters to throw in a pay the $15MM up front. After that, the AD pays the $3.4mil per year over 5 years. The chatter going around the interwebz is that the money for the $15MM due in 30 days would come from outside the Athletic Dept. and operations continue as normal.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:28 pm to craigbiggio
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Auburn fans don't actually believe Gus is getting fired this year, right?
I would say many are leaning that way. It was very different until I guess some local writers had some sources that it was a possibility if he doesn't make a bowl. The number seems to be growing each day. I was fairly surprised as well when it started to switch that way.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:29 pm to GlossuRabban
Dunc you can't possibly think Gus is getting fired for on field results this year. He's there through 2019 at least.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:29 pm to Rhino5
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The possibility of him being fired isn't due to his 3 losses this year, it's a culmination of his wildly inconsistent coaching over the past 6 years.
I get that. It isn't like yall are firing a coach after a single year or something. That isn't the delusion.
The delusion is yall basically acting like the contract Gus signed lat year never happened, or is at best a minor inconvenience.
It isn't. If executed it would represent what would be BY FAR the biggest buyout of alltime in this sport.
That is worth talking about in my opinion.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:30 pm to craigbiggio
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Dunc you can't possibly think Gus is getting fired for on field results this year. He's there through 2019 at least.
They do. They really do.
Its frankly amazing what they are convincing themselves is possible and everyone outside of Auburn needs to take a second to stop and appreciate the audacity of all of this.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:30 pm to rockiee
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I was fairly surprised as well when it started to switch that way.
But it was like this last year at EXACTLY the same time
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