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re: Auburn fan entitlement is what makes the potential Gus firing so interesting
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:32 pm to Rhino5
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:32 pm to Rhino5
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I agree. But this Gus contract seems to be burning him up. I suspect it has to do with Jimbo and his guaranteed money.
But I don't see why he's viewing it as impossible. We get few boosters to throw in a pay the $15MM up front. After that, the AD pays the $3.4mil per year over 5 years. The chatter going around the interwebz is that the money for the $15MM due in 30 days would come from outside the Athletic Dept. and operations continue as normal.
I think he just loves the topic in general. He did the same thing over some of the buyout with Bert and he went a little crazy over some comments made by our new AD.
In general, I have learned to never be surprised what some big boosters are willing to throw out there to get an issue taken care of, not saying that is what is going to happen with Gus but I'm certainly not writing it off.
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:33 pm to BrerTiger
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Helfrich was fired after going 4-8. You would have kept him? If Gus goes 4-8, he absolutely deserves to be fired.
Yeah but just because he "deserves" it doesn't mean the $32 million suddenly exists.
People get WAY to caught up with what they think coaches "should" earn rather than pay attention to what they are contractually obligated to earn.
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But thank you for giving us a preview of the threads that will flood the rant if/when Gus is fired.
Just a FYI I am not stopping until:
1. Someone from Auburn proves taking care of this buyout is more than a fever delusion.
2. Some sort of scandal pops up tied to Gus to mitigate the buyout.
3. A&M has a nine win season and I get bored with beating this drum.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:33 pm to craigbiggio
Gus is taking a beating in this thread and I for one don't think it's very fair at all
He's being libeled and slandered
He's being libeled and slandered
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:33 pm to craigbiggio
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Dunc you can't possibly think Gus is getting fired for on field results this year.
It's more than this year. It's a trend that started last year. It's his inconsistency and he seemingly is not willing to do anything to change. Players will begin trasferring out (already have), coaches will start leaving and recruits will start decommitting.
Supposedly Gus has nobody in his corner...not boosters, players, coaches or fans. The only one still supporting him is the new president who made the deal without much input. And his job is in jeopardy as well.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:34 pm to cardboardboxer
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They do. They really do.
Its frankly amazing what they are convincing themselves is possible and everyone outside of Auburn needs to take a second to stop and appreciate the audacity of all of this.
Jesus Christ man, fricking Paul Finebaum said it might happen as well, same with the beat writers. Go read some AU forums, shits all over the place. We are skeptical, but it's being talked about everywhere.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:34 pm to TeddyWestside
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If the boosters can put up the initial $16 Million, then the school pays $4 million/yr for 4 years to complete the buyout. They hire a solid G5 coach or a P5 coordinator for $3 million/year and the AD doesn't even take that much of a hit. It is not ideal, but it is not altogether unmanageable.
So instead of one bad season next year they are stuck with a subpar coach for four seasons? How is that a good idea?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:35 pm to craigbiggio
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But it was like this last year at EXACTLY the same time
Well, I think the important thing to note is everyone is assuming it only gets worse for Gus this year. Obviously if he turns it somewhat around this year, everything changes.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:35 pm to TeddyWestside
I think the most interesting issue of the entire scenario is the one currently being talked about amongst some of the Aubies. They feel like the university can exercise it's "state institution" clause and refuse to pay him, forcing Gus to file a suit against them for the money. This will entail a long drawn out court battle that will eventually cause Gus to either accept a portion of the money or continue to fight it out in court in order to get what is due by his contract.
This brings up a situation that one would hope ANY future football coach at a state institution would take notice, especially a place like Auburn which is so close to even contemplating this. An agent like Sexton would be useless in even negotiating a contract if this were the case and one would hope he is not stupid enough to help write a contract that would even allow such a thing to take place.
Aubie screwed up and gave a contract for someone who should not have gotten it. Now they wish to renege on the contract or force his to accept less than what is owed to him because they made a mistake. If I were on the jury, not only would I give him the money but tack another $10M on it for their malicious attitude. Before all is said and done they would be lucky to get poor ole Butch Jones to accept that position given the way they have turned on Gustav.
This brings up a situation that one would hope ANY future football coach at a state institution would take notice, especially a place like Auburn which is so close to even contemplating this. An agent like Sexton would be useless in even negotiating a contract if this were the case and one would hope he is not stupid enough to help write a contract that would even allow such a thing to take place.
Aubie screwed up and gave a contract for someone who should not have gotten it. Now they wish to renege on the contract or force his to accept less than what is owed to him because they made a mistake. If I were on the jury, not only would I give him the money but tack another $10M on it for their malicious attitude. Before all is said and done they would be lucky to get poor ole Butch Jones to accept that position given the way they have turned on Gustav.
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:36 pm to cardboardboxer
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So instead of one bad season next year they are stuck with a subpar coach for four seasons?
HE IS A SUBPAR COACH! Jesus Christ how can you not see that? Look at his record vs. 2 of our 3 biggest rivals.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:37 pm to Rhino5
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Jesus Christ man, fricking Paul Finebaum said it might happen as well, same with the beat writers. Go read some AU forums, shits all over the place. We are skeptical, but it's being talked about everywhere.
Has anyone talked about where Auburn is going to get the $32 million?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:40 pm to craigbiggio
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Has anyone talked about where Auburn is going to get the $32 million
Yes, ad nauseam .
$16 up front and the rest over 5 years. The first $16 mil. has already been ponied up.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:40 pm to craigbiggio
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Has anyone talked about where Auburn is going to get the $32 million?
It's already been stated multiple times in the thread that it's $15MM due in 30-45 days, and the other $17MM is paid out over the course of 5 years.
The key is getting money together for the $15MM. I am skeptical. But lots of chatter about the money being there. I will believe it when it happens, and there's still 5 games remaining.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:41 pm to cardboardboxer
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So instead of one bad season next year they are stuck with a subpar coach for four seasons? How is that a good idea?
They are completely fricked.
The only hope they have is Gus gets caught doing some illegal shite and they can fire him for cause.
Otherwise they'd have to come to some kind of agreement to reduce the buyout and why the frick would Gus do that? He has Auburn by the balls, and he seems like the kind of guy who can put up with being hated for the next few years as long as he's getting paid $7.5 million per.
I tried to tell Auburn fans that this was going to go down for them the exact same way it did for Les. Got his gigantic payday and is free to mail it in now. Only Gus is a mediocre coach and they aren't even going to get a single fringe elite season out of it
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:42 pm to Rhino5
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I am skeptical.
Jimmy Rane shelled-out $5 mil for his role in Tuberville's departure.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:42 pm to cardboardboxer
The only FBS school to fire 3 coaches who went undefeated.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:42 pm to GlossuRabban
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HE IS A SUBPAR COACH! Jesus Christ how can you not see that? Look at his record vs. 2 of our 3 biggest rivals.
AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE TERMS OF THE frickING CONTRACT AUBURN SIGNED!!!
See I can use caps too.
One again you are confusing opinions and feelings ("we fans didn't support the contract" "Gus isn't worth the buyout." "$7 million is too much for a losing season") with the reality of the situation ("Gus is owed $32 million if he is fired this year without scandal").
At this point I am willing to accept that yall might actually fire him, that yall might leverage everything you have to make it happen. But that doesn't explain where the money comes from for the next coaching staff, and how yall will be able to put together a staff that is anything but a joke post-Gus.
frick if anything the moment yall frick your program over the next couple of years to make Gus be gone at the end of this year is the moment I am proved right about how delusional your fanbase is.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:42 pm to cardboardboxer
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So instead of one bad season next year they are stuck with a subpar coach for four seasons? How is that a good idea?
$3 million dollars is not an uncompetitive salary for an up and coming coach. For example, here at UGA inked Kirby Smart for $3.75 million, and that was for one of the hottest up and coming coaching commodities in the country at the time.
They're not going to be able to lure Bob Stoops out of retirement for that money but they can get the guy they need if they can accurately identify him.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:44 pm to craigbiggio
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Only Gus is a mediocre coach and they aren't even going to get a single fringe elite season out of it
He is but we did get an elite season in 2013. But he's been riding that for 5 years now.
We won't get an elite coach, but we won't have a guy who continues to poison the well every day he's in that locker room.
People said the same shite in 2008 and 2013 and we managed some of our best seasons following that.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:45 pm to cardboardboxer
Why should Auburn pay $7 million for a subpar coach when they could have one for $3 million.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:46 pm to Rhino5
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The key is getting money together for the $15MM. I am skeptical. But lots of chatter about the money being there. I will believe it when it happens, and there's still 5 games remaining.
Frankly $15 million isn't undoable.
We raised like $10 million in a month to fire Sumlin. Another $5 million is a lot but doable given ADs with 100 million plus in revenue.
But there is a reason no other fanbase in the SEC would even CONSIDER pushing their AD to do that- its a bad idea.
The proven correct course of action is to give Gus another year, and use that time to not only raise money for a buyout but raise money for a top tier coaching staff after Gus is fired.
Yall (actually not you but fans in this very thread) are acting like toddlers who want the toy now with out any regard for the long term consequences of getting that toy.
And that makes yall the most interesting story in the SEC right now.
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