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re: Athletic Article on 8 vs 9 games and ESPN not paying
Posted on 5/3/23 at 2:53 pm to GumBro Jackson
Posted on 5/3/23 at 2:53 pm to GumBro Jackson
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 2:56 pm to GumBro Jackson
Yes and send Sankey packing. I've long suspected he was paid a lot of $$$$ under the table to get the OU and UTA deal to happen. He's a sneaky little fawker.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 2:57 pm to molsusports
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BigBro
It's already The Other UT's fault... y'all are basically the current middle aged straight white male, only you're not nearly as cool.
...... or as straight... you know, Austin and all.....
Posted on 5/3/23 at 2:57 pm to molsusports
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History matters. Or if it doesn't there's no reason to give a shite about the SEC as an entity.
Bingo. Expand too much and it looses its identity.
I think this threat to identity applies to the sport overall. The more it seems like a dysfunctional pro league, the less and less I care. If they want to pay the players and let them switch teams at will, just divorce the teams from the schools because at that point they can’t even pretend(like they still do) to be student athletes. They will never do this because they know that the fans will stop caring if it’s the Columbia SC minor league football team instead of the University of South Carolina Gamecocks.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 3:22 pm to twk
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I understand your thought process, but I think that you (and Sankey) are wrong about this. Texas certainly would have told Sankey that they would go to the Big Ten if the SEC turned them down, but that would have been an empty threat, in my opinion.
First off, when you think back in time before OU and Texas announced they were leaving, the Big Ten was still trying to figure out how they ended up with Rutgers and Maryland. The appetite for further expansion at that time was pretty much zero. Only once the SEC made a move for OU and Texas did the Big Ten do something even more radical in response by adding USC and UCLA. But, that was a reactionary move. If Kevin Warren had gone to the Big Ten presidents and asked them to kill off the Big XII, they likely would not have been willing to make the first move towards the realignment final solution.
Second, Texas was encumbered by a contract with ESPN for the LHN. ESPN was more than happy to let them out of that contract to go from the Big XII (where ESPN only has half the rights) to the SEC (where ESPN has all the rights), but they would not have been willing to play ball had Texas wanted to go to the Big Ten, where ESPN has none of the rights.
So, while I understand the argument that it's better to have Texas in the SEC than the Big Ten, I don't really believe there was any realistic prospect for that to happen this decade. Sankey got played.
You've made this exact same argument before and I've responded to it. I think you might have your hatred of all things Longhorn blinders on.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 3:26 pm to BigBro
Thanks for kicking LSU out of the SEC.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 3:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Thanks for kicking LSU out of the SEC.
I’m trying to find a solution that everyone likes.. in that option
I made sure every 3/6 permanent game was played every year.
LSU Perm: Alabama, A&M, Ole Miss
All 3 annual games.
I don’t care what schedule that we play.. if you don’t like the ones being discussed then pitch a different idea.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 3:42 pm to BevoBucks
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Yep, and I think more expansion’s coming.
IMO, TV execs are going to drive the biggest brands in college football into either the SEC or the Big 10 and it'll basically be like the NFC and AFC.
I fricking hate it and I despise the direction college sports are going, but it seems kind of obvious to me that's where it's going. Traditions, rivalries, and everything that college football fans love about the sport are being pushed to the side in an effort to attract new viewers. If they aren't careful, they'll go the NASCAR route and abandon their core audience to try and chase an audience that probably isn't coming anyways.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 5/3/23 at 3:45 pm to BreakawayZou83
And your reply completely ignored the fact that ESPN had a written contract giving them Texas's tier 3 rights. They couldn't just walk away from that, and there was no exit clause where they could just pay some money and buy their way out.
I'm not comparing Rutgers/Maryland to Texas/OU. I'm saying that the Big Ten, historically a rather conservative conference, had last made a radical move on expansion with the addition of Rutgers and Maryland, premised upon those schools giving them entree to the the East Coast markets. It hasn't worked out, and I think Big Ten presidents would have been a tough sale if presented with this move in a landscape where things looked pretty stable. The Big XII could have easily soldiered on for another decade had Sankey rebuffed Texas and OU.
I'm not comparing Rutgers/Maryland to Texas/OU. I'm saying that the Big Ten, historically a rather conservative conference, had last made a radical move on expansion with the addition of Rutgers and Maryland, premised upon those schools giving them entree to the the East Coast markets. It hasn't worked out, and I think Big Ten presidents would have been a tough sale if presented with this move in a landscape where things looked pretty stable. The Big XII could have easily soldiered on for another decade had Sankey rebuffed Texas and OU.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 3:56 pm to FlagshipTexasAggie
Threaten to put every Oklahoma and Texas game on Amazon or something. They’ll pay.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 4:25 pm to RamboMizzou
Everybody calm down. I would bet significant money that this negotiation is already done. The SEC will go to 3-6-6 and ESPN will pay additional $ for the extra games.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 4:25 pm to BigBro
OP -
That schedule is stupid.
Auburn vs LSU once every 8 years????
That is my favorite road game every other year.
Texas and Oklahoma can shut up while the adults in the room decide how and where you will play.
That schedule is stupid.
Auburn vs LSU once every 8 years????
That is my favorite road game every other year.
Texas and Oklahoma can shut up while the adults in the room decide how and where you will play.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 4:44 pm to BigBro
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pitch a different idea.
9 games, 3 permanent:
Alabama Auburn Miss. State Tennessee
Arkansas Missouri Oklahoma Texas
Auburn Alabama Georgia So. Carolina
Florida Georgia Kentucky LSU
Georgia Auburn Florida So. Carolina
Kentucky Florida Tennessee Vanderbilt
LSU Florida Ole Miss Texas A&M
Ole Miss LSU Miss. State Vanderbilt
Miss. State Alabama Ole Miss Texas A&M
Missouri Arkansas Oklahoma So. Carolina
Oklahoma Arkansas Missouri Texas
So. Carolina Auburn Georgia Missouri
Tennessee Alabama Kentucky Vanderbilt
Texas Arkansas Oklahoma Texas A&M
Texas A&M LSU Miss. State Texas
Vanderbilt Kentucky Ole Miss Tennessee
Posted on 5/3/23 at 5:31 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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9 games, 3 permanent:
Perfect. I’ll let Sankey know.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 5:48 pm to VADawg
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TV execs are going to drive the biggest brands in college football into either the SEC or the Big 10 and it'll basically be like the NFC and AFC
I’ve been having effectively the same fear for a while and it does suck. The only way I could see it being interesting is if a relegation system was introduced.
Quick point about the change of audience idea. I don’t think they are trying to change out the existing audience for a probably non existent new one, as so many things seem to be doing today. Rather, I think they want to add a new audience while retaining the existing one, banking on the idea that the existing audience is so addicted they won’t stop watching.
And they are probably right, to an extent. I am really turned off by the professionalization of CFB that has existed for a while and is now in overdrive. But it has not stopped me from watching, just as background noise if nothing else. But the trouble is that eventually all of us long time fans will die off. If the reasons that we fell in love with the sport are no longer there (the traditions, rivalries, maybe even uni affiliations) then the new audience will not be as devoted and possibly not as large.
But this is a long term potential problem and the decision makers are worried only about the comparatively short term. And for that reason, they will continue on this path until some future group of decision makers realize that they have finally reached an untenable situation.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 5/3/23 at 6:13 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Texas and Oklahoma can shut up while the adults in the room decide how and where you will play.
Sorry boss, ole Mickey bought the keys to the SEC Kingdom. He’s about to everyone in Destin who and when they will play.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 6:19 pm to MondayNightPavs
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I am really turned off by the professionalization of CFB that has existed for a while and is now in overdrive. But it has not stopped me from watching, just as background noise if nothing else.
I used to be a noon to midnight college football guy. Now I don't really watch unless it's a Georgia game, and even those don't interest me like they used to. I never thought I'd ever see the day where I lost interest in college football, but the changes over the last few years have almost totally turned me away.
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Rather, I think they want to add a new audience while retaining the existing one, banking on the idea that the existing audience is so addicted they won’t stop watching.
I think so too. My point was that this was the exact same mentality NASCAR had in the mid 2000s or so and then their viewership fell off of a cliff and has not come close to recovering.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:00 pm to Ole Ag
ESPN can threaten to go all-in (sorry) as Beth Mowins as the voice of the SEC. They have unimaginable leverage.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:39 pm to Gman84
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ESPN can threaten to go all-in (sorry) as Beth Mowins as the voice of the SEC. They have unimaginable leverage.
Not really. If the SEC decides not to put Out and Texas sports on ESPN.
That wasn't part of the deal when they signed.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 8:37 pm to boweswi05
Don’t think it works like this. Once they are designated SEC, ESPN owns their media rights. They will increase the contract pro rata, just not pay a premium for higher visibility.
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