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re: At this point, how many of you would take Les Miles as your coach?
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:22 am to LSU GrandDad
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:22 am to LSU GrandDad
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so that's your impression. it is not fact. there were many, if not most, that did not doubt him and certainly the vast majority that did not hate him. however, i understand how you got that impression; most internet message boards are dominated by young people that have and take the time to sit in front of a computer and express themselves. and these same young people are quite demanding and certainly not the measure of how an entire fanbase feels.
Well said. And most of our most vocal fans (the young ones) only know LSU as an elite team. They don't remember the 90s.
And let's be honest: Saban will be a tough act to follow -- at ANY school. Yes, especially Alabama. He is like Bryant -- they don't come around often.
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Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:24 am to ibldprplgld
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And let's be honest: Saban will be a tough act to follow -- at ANY school. Yes, especially Alabama. He is like Bryant -- they don't come around often.
You would have to be an idiot to think otherwise. frick Bama for having two of the all time great head coaches.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:25 am to peopleschamp
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that Les can build a program from the bottom up the way Saban can.
there is little evidence to support this statement. when Saban arrived at LSU, there was LOTS OF TALENT on the roster; ditto for his arrival in bamaworld. the previous coaching staffs could recruit; coaching and discipline were their problems. sabans ONLY HISTORY OF BUILDING A PROGRAM FROM THE BOTTOM UP was the miami dolphins. where the coach is means a hell of a lot. coaching at ole miss, kentucky, vanderbuilt, etc ain't the same thing as coaching at lsu, bama, etc.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:29 am to LSU GrandDad
Been on TD and a couple other boards since 05. Some lsu fans have come around on miles, that's pretty normal when you are replacing such a successful coach with someone that was not considered a slam dunk hire. There will always be skeptical fans and there still are. However, the vast majority of fans from other schools were certain he would destroy what Saban built. Miles has shut up a lot of people since coming to lsu.
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Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:30 am to LSU GrandDad
as a college football fan, i love les miles. i put him only slightly behind saban. and it wouldnt bother me a bit if he came to bama. but i just dont think the powers that be, in tuscaloosa, would be the type where miles could be miles.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:33 am to ohiovol
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I also used to argue that he was living off of Saban's recruits
I used to love reading these posts.
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If LSU continues to handle the less talented teams like last year and so far this year, it's going to be pretty hard to argue against him
if you are still "arguing against him" not sure what to tell you. The guy gets the job done, period.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:38 am to crimsontater
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as a college football fan, i love les miles. i put him only slightly behind saban. and it wouldnt bother me a bit if he came to bama. but i just dont think the powers that be, in tuscaloosa, would be the type where miles could be miles.
i agree with all of this. by the way, i think miles is a better coach at lsu than saban was. saban has grown tremendously since failing in the pro's and i think he's the best in college football. miles is also growing but i don't think he is the perfectionist saban is. i'll take your word for the powers that be in tuscaloosa but i know this; both bama and lsu are gonna be a tough place for the next football coach. i'd say i'd feel sorry for both of them but when a guy has a contract worth millions of dollars i don't think so.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:48 am to LSU GrandDad
Some of the stuff in this thread is astonishing. Time to debunk
Lsu is the easiest job in America? Then why didn’t curley hallman succeed? He was a can’t miss hire who was the hottest name in coaching having taken down several major players.
Georgia and osu fans don’t want miles? Hilarious. yeah, who wants to win conference championship games, make national title appearances?
Gundy may have done better at okst but, t boone is pumping a lot more money in now than he did when miles was there. not apples to apples.
Miles is overrated yet he continues to stay at the top of the toughest conference in America…merely because he just throws talent out on the field in random, chaotic ways…and keeps pace with saban, the best coach in the game. Makes sense.
Miles has clock management issues and makes some bad decisions. WHAT COACH IS IMMUNE FROM THIS? every coach, saban included, makes mistakes. Miles wins and makes many, many more right calls than wrong ones. Btw, the clock management criticism is way overblown. It happened in one noticeable game (ole miss 09, NOT auburn 07) and now it happens all the time. Quintessential legend making.
He recruits second to none. He maintains an impressive staff. If there’s a problem, it doesn’t last long. he graduates players. He keeps the program from getting into major trouble with the ncaa. He’s not afraid to cut offenders from the program even if they’re a star qb or Heisman contender.
Btw, saban didn’t build lsu from the bottom up. Dinardo had a decent amount of nfl talent on that team. especially on the defense. go look at lsu’s 99-00 roster yourself.
Last game, miles and krags were on the sidelines laughing it up while saban walks around like he’s having an enema. I like that about miles and co.
And swoopin, you’re missing the point. Miles is still derided in the media for being a buffoon. Just look at the comments in this thread. Non lsu fans STILL think he’s stupid and lucky despite his incredible success. It’s baffling. What does the man have to do? He’s keeping pace with saban at bama for crying out loud. That’s unbelievable. And with jj and jlee at qb no less. Good grief. He’s practically a miracle worker.
Lsu is the easiest job in America? Then why didn’t curley hallman succeed? He was a can’t miss hire who was the hottest name in coaching having taken down several major players.
Georgia and osu fans don’t want miles? Hilarious. yeah, who wants to win conference championship games, make national title appearances?
Gundy may have done better at okst but, t boone is pumping a lot more money in now than he did when miles was there. not apples to apples.
Miles is overrated yet he continues to stay at the top of the toughest conference in America…merely because he just throws talent out on the field in random, chaotic ways…and keeps pace with saban, the best coach in the game. Makes sense.
Miles has clock management issues and makes some bad decisions. WHAT COACH IS IMMUNE FROM THIS? every coach, saban included, makes mistakes. Miles wins and makes many, many more right calls than wrong ones. Btw, the clock management criticism is way overblown. It happened in one noticeable game (ole miss 09, NOT auburn 07) and now it happens all the time. Quintessential legend making.
He recruits second to none. He maintains an impressive staff. If there’s a problem, it doesn’t last long. he graduates players. He keeps the program from getting into major trouble with the ncaa. He’s not afraid to cut offenders from the program even if they’re a star qb or Heisman contender.
Btw, saban didn’t build lsu from the bottom up. Dinardo had a decent amount of nfl talent on that team. especially on the defense. go look at lsu’s 99-00 roster yourself.
Last game, miles and krags were on the sidelines laughing it up while saban walks around like he’s having an enema. I like that about miles and co.
And swoopin, you’re missing the point. Miles is still derided in the media for being a buffoon. Just look at the comments in this thread. Non lsu fans STILL think he’s stupid and lucky despite his incredible success. It’s baffling. What does the man have to do? He’s keeping pace with saban at bama for crying out loud. That’s unbelievable. And with jj and jlee at qb no less. Good grief. He’s practically a miracle worker.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:51 am to LSU GrandDad
Miles, like any other good coach, is good partly because he makes great assistant hires, (OC being the exception)
Frank Wilson
Chavis
Cooper
Moffett
I don't think miles is a brilliant x's and o's guy or a world class recruiter. He's obviously good enough at both. He's done a good job of securing home grown talent, hiring great assistants, and he is one of the best motivators in the game. His guys will run through a brick wall for him. All of those things make him a great coach. You have to be good at all of those things to be considered among the top.
Frank Wilson
Chavis
Cooper
Moffett
I don't think miles is a brilliant x's and o's guy or a world class recruiter. He's obviously good enough at both. He's done a good job of securing home grown talent, hiring great assistants, and he is one of the best motivators in the game. His guys will run through a brick wall for him. All of those things make him a great coach. You have to be good at all of those things to be considered among the top.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:53 am to AlaTiger
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Posted on 9/19/12 at 8:54 am to LSU GrandDad
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there is little evidence to support this statement. when Saban arrived at LSU, there was LOTS OF TALENT on the roster; ditto for his arrival in bamaworld
LOTS OF TALENT is a stretch here boss, let's not diminish what the man did at either place. The talent when he left far exceeded the talent when he arrived at both places. Miles walked into a better situation at LSU and than saban did at LSU or bama..that's indisputable
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:02 am to OMReb21
This is bull. Every coach in America has made questionable decisions in his career, especially SEVERAL coaches at Ole Miss.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:07 am to LsuTool
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if you are still "arguing against him" not sure what to tell you. The guy gets the job done, period.
I'm not arguing anymore.
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I used to love reading these posts.
Before 2010, I'll admit it seemed like that was very possibly the case.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:21 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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LOTS OF TALENT is a stretch here boss, let's not diminish what the man did at either place. The talent when he left far exceeded the talent when he arrived at both places. Miles walked into a better situation at LSU and than saban did at LSU or bama..that's indisputable
LSU always had the talent, we never had the coaching. Recruiting wasn't the problem at LSU before Saban. That's why it's funny people say Miles has an easy job at LSU.... ignorant, but funny.
Yes, Miles walked into one of the top programs in the country, but he has done a great job of keeping LSU at an elite level. How many coaches completley fail after following a successful coach? It isn't easy.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:23 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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world class recruiter
not many coaches out there that are better at recruiting than Miles.
Saban
maybe Fisher
Kiffin/Orgeron
???
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He's done a good job of securing home grown talent
he's done a good job in state and out of state as well.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:27 am to bfniii
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Georgia and osu fans don’t want miles? Hilarious. yeah, who wants to win conference championship games, make national title appearances?
I hate to tell you, but we already do this on a regular basis, but I would like to point out that I complimented Miles.
...and that you come off pretty butthurt.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:36 am to BuckeyeFan87
CLM is winning at a 80% clip in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the country. As well, his record against the 2 most recognized genuises in the game today speaks for itself. If you knock him for winning with Saban's recruits, then there are 2 things to consider: Saban lost 3 games every yr at LSU but one. And you cann't praise Gundy at Ok.St. in comparision to CLM as Gundy is obviously winning with CLM's players.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:42 am to Keltic Tiger
Some of you people are certifiably insane. Miles has only one peer in the SEC and that's Saban. That being said there is one other coach, that given the facilities and tools that Miles and Saban have, could prove to be as effective. That coach is Dan Mullen.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:43 am to Keltic Tiger
Les beat Stoops twice while he was at OSU. That should say something right there.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 9:49 am to BuckeyeFan87
So a school with a history of getting blasted by sec teams wouldn't want the consensus #2 coach from the sec? That's asinine. Whether osu is already successful is irrelevant
And debunking rant ignorance is butthurt? Lsu fans such as myself are laughing all the way to the bank while critics are making fun of miles.
I don't think miles is perfect and have no idea if he could replicate success elsewhere but the criticisms in this thread and from the media are ludicrous
And debunking rant ignorance is butthurt? Lsu fans such as myself are laughing all the way to the bank while critics are making fun of miles.
I don't think miles is perfect and have no idea if he could replicate success elsewhere but the criticisms in this thread and from the media are ludicrous
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