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re: At this point, how many of you would take Les Miles as your coach?
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:40 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:40 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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That's not even a response to what I said. Saban inherited some talent, Miles inherited a roster full of talent and top 5 classes. There is a difference
You aren't an LSU fan so I don't expect you to understand the ends and outs of the rosters the way people who actually know stuff about LSU football do. He inherited the school's only Biletnikoff winner, one of the all time best passers who has the single game yardage record, and a guy who until Tebow and Cam knocked him off the top of the list, shared the rushing TD record with Shaun Alexander.
Who gives a shite what rivals says? The proof is in the results of those guys careers.
This post was edited on 9/19/12 at 11:42 am
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Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:42 am to Riseupfromtherubble
In college, recruiting accounts for 75% of your success. Miles is good at recruiting, always has been...
The remaining 25% comes down to coaching. This is where the big games are won or lost...
Talent advantage masks coaching deficiencies, so you can still win games without being strong at Xs and Os. Coordinators and position coaches play a huge role in this...
Saban schooled Miles in the championship game, with talent level being comparable. But Saban schools a lot of coaches...
In conclusion, Miles is a great college coach due to his recruiting prowess and motivational skills.
But I like Sumlin for the Aggies because I think he can excel at recruiting, motivational skills, and the Xs and Os
The remaining 25% comes down to coaching. This is where the big games are won or lost...
Talent advantage masks coaching deficiencies, so you can still win games without being strong at Xs and Os. Coordinators and position coaches play a huge role in this...
Saban schooled Miles in the championship game, with talent level being comparable. But Saban schools a lot of coaches...
In conclusion, Miles is a great college coach due to his recruiting prowess and motivational skills.
But I like Sumlin for the Aggies because I think he can excel at recruiting, motivational skills, and the Xs and Os
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:45 am to Chimlim
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I think you misread my post. I am agreeing with this. LSU always brought in talent, but our best players left the state (I'm still wondering how the frick Dinardo lost out on Ed Reed) - but Saban had a very good team when he came to LSU. Davey, Reed, Toefield, Davis, Clark, James, Faulk, Allen..etc.. I'm not saying it was the same caliber as what Miles took over, but it was still a really good team - I don't understand why that pisses you off so much
then yes, I misread your post
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:49 am to therick711
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He inherited the school's only Biletnikoff winner
wasn't this guy a tailback until saban told his staff they needed to find a way to get him on the field, thus a position change. Again, I never said he didn't inherit talent. I said it wasn't on the same level that miles inherited. Same with alabama. Saban got guys like andre smith, rolando mcclain, javier arenas, kareem jackson..the point is that the 2 guys behind all of those guys on the depth chart were average/bad football players when he arrived. At Lsu and Alabama Saban stocked the roster full of studs. How is that even debateable? Miles inherited a team made up of 3 of the best recruiting clasees in Lsu history
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:49 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
quote:yeah and what happened in 2010 when miles schooled saban with the talent level comparable? Miles beats saban's best team ever in tuscaloosa last season too. All of that with horrible qb play too. Miles can x&o with the best apparently. He's taken down several coaches with national championships.
Saban schooled Miles in the championship game, with talent level being comparable.
And i hope you're not saying you would take sumlin over miles at this point.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:51 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
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Saban schooled Miles in the championship game
and miles had won the previous 2 games.
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But I like Sumlin for the Aggies because I think he can excel at recruiting, motivational skills, and the Xs and Os
Sumlin > Miles
cool
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:52 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Again, I never said he didn't inherit talent. I said it wasn't on the same level that miles inherited.
So Saban inherited the best in school history at several positions but they weren't as good as the people that Miles inherited because Saban didn't recruit them.
That's my point. You aren't making any sense. The guys Saban inherited have all-time records at LSU. Miles inherited a QB that Saban lost four games with, a RB who lost a step, and his backup tore his ACL and was never the same. He inherited a 5 star receiver who left to do track full time and had a stellar defense. Again, I don't expect you to understand the rosters because you don't follow LSU football closely enough to know what you are talking about.
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wasn't this guy a tailback until saban told his staff they needed to find a way to get him on the field, thus a position change
Of course you would think this because you are blindly loyal to Saban. Dinardo moved him 1999. See any google entry about him ever. You are speaking from ignorance.
This post was edited on 9/19/12 at 11:54 am
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:54 am to bfniii
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yeah and what happened in 2010 when miles schooled saban with the talent level comparable? Miles beats saban's best team ever in tuscaloosa last season too
A game won by 3 points (they both were) can be decided on one or 2 plays. Obviously no one got "out coached" in a 3 point game between equal teams. I wouldn't consider a 3 point victory schooling anyone. 21-0 was a schooling my friend
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:58 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Obviously no one got "out coached" in a 3 point game between equal teams.
you would probably need to understand football and watch the game in order to say one way or another. Sometimes, one coach does out coach the other on the way to a three-point victory.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:02 pm to therick711
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So Saban inherited the best in school history at several positions but they weren't as good as the people that Miles inherited because Saban didn't recruit them.
I'll give you reed, but who else are you talking about?
You're totally right man, Lsu's roster was just as stacked when saban got there as it was when miles got there. Jesus Christ
Teams stacked with talent go 3-8 all the time
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Of course you would think this because you are blindly loyal to Saban. Dinardo moved him 1999. See any google entry about him ever. You are speaking from ignorance.
Google says Reed was a flex player under dinardo with a grand total of 8 catches
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:03 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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wasn't this guy a tailback until saban told his staff they needed to find a way to get him on the field
Josh Booty told Dinardo that JR should be a receiver because of his hands and GD actually is the one who made the switch
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Miles brought in 3 of the best recruiting classes in Lsu history
fixed as well
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:04 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:07 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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A game won by 3 points (they both were) can be decided on one or 2 plays. Obviously no one got "out coached" in a 3 point game between equal teams. I wouldn't consider a 3 point victory schooling anyone. 21-0 was a schooling my friend
If a team that is talented enough to beat a team by 21 points loses to said team by 3. obviously they were outcoached in the loss
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:12 pm to therick711
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Would you look at that. Saban wanted to move him to DB or back to RB
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starting quarterback Josh Booty suggested to both Reed and Gerry DiNardo, the coach at the time, that Reed be moved to receiver.
and boom
but of course it is all a sham cause everyone knows SI.com hates Nick Saban
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:17 pm to LsuTool
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If a team that is talented enough to beat a team by 21 points loses to said team by 3. obviously they were outcoached in the loss
either that, or said team just got really outcoached in the 21 point loss. Are you saying alabama was more talented than LSU last year?
Because it looks like you're saying that miles outcoached saban in november and lost in january because alabama had a lot more talent. What really happened, and anyone that isn't trying to be argumentative will agree, is that the teams were very evenly matched. This is why you saw a 3 point game in november. What you saw in jauary was a schooling
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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either that, or said team just got really outcoached in the 21 point loss. Are you saying alabama was more talented than LSU last year?
there was a sizeable difference in the QB position.
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:22 pm to therick711
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Would you look at that. Saban wanted to move him to DB or back to RB.
"During the early days of spring practice, when Reed did little to impress the coaches, they considered moving him to his old position or to defensive back but decided to wait"
that's what that tells you? If saban wanted to move him, then saban would have moved him. I considered taking a shite before my shower this morning, but decided to wait until after my cup of coffee
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:26 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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that's what that tells you?
yea and that Bama's God didn't move Reed. Certainly tells all of us that correct????
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:29 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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LOTS OF TALENT is a stretch here boss, let's not diminish what the man did at either place.
you sound like my wife (an elementary school teacher). i did NOT diminish what nick saban did at LSU. i guess since my comments weren't avering saban is (or was) perfect you took offense. i stand by every damn word i said and i am not a saban hater. currently the man is the best HC in college football; i said that (agreed to it anyway). he was NOT the best HC in college football when he was at LSU; he did NOT rebuild LSU from the ground up; the WAS LOTS OF TALENT AT LSU when saban arrived. ditto at bama. both programs had a combination of poor coaching and poor discipline and poor attitudes when he arrived and he fixed those. LSU and Bama have always been good places to recruit. now the comment that obviously hurt your feelings (poor baby) was there is LITTLE EVEIDENCE TO SUPPORT HE BUILDS PROGRAMS FROM THE GROUND UP is true. miami is the only team he took over that had a talent deficit and he failed to BUILD IT FROM THE GROUND UP. i am a realist; there is only one man that walked on water and it damn sure ain't nick saban.
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